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<p>BTW, I worry smiling Pompeo wasn't in denial he was predicting a
'smooth transition to a second term'. <br>
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<p>Meanwhile, PBS is showing the Rise of the Nazis see
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.pbs.org/show/rise-nazis/">https://www.pbs.org/show/rise-nazis/</a>. It took 4 years for the
Nazis to destroy democracy.<br>
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<p>-Robert C<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/11/20 4:11 PM, David Eric Smith
wrote:<br>
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So at some point, too, though, there are actual facts and things
and events in the world, which aren’t just cut from the fabric of
human impression and attitude.
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<div class="">Suppose the following; as I was walking thisPM,
after finally watching the Van Jones TED that Glen circulated,
it seemed quite believable to me.</div>
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<div class="">1. Suppose what Van sketches is actually the plan.
Trump plans to instigate a constitutional crisis. I think he
is capable of planning to that degree of complexity and on that
time horizon. And I have no reason in the world not to think
Bill Barr would be down with the lark, and could advise him on
the law to do it. I’m not sure Pompeo has the same background,
but in character I expect he would think it is a great idea.</div>
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<div class="">2. Then we wind up in congress. He doesn’t have a
huge margin; there are only 26 republican representatives (or
whatever the name is for them). So he really needs them all.
That’s what the last four years has been for. Figure out who
has any other levers besides greed of fear, and get them out.
Keep Graham and Cruz and all the rest like them, who are amoral
and predatory, and Collins and her ilk who can be terrorized.</div>
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<div class="">3. Suppose people decide to object, and want to take
to the streets. Really a terrible time to have Esper running
DOD. He wouldn’t sic the US armed forces on them. So find some
quasi-fascist brigadier general who thinks might is not merely
right, but Everything. Of course, you have to goad people and
try to provoke them, so that the lower-downs in the military
will be willing to take orders, not because they think the
orders are moral, but because they feel threatened and are
trying to protect themselves and each other. That’s always how
you co-opt soldiers.</div>
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<div class="">I look at the footage of old civil rights
protestors, singing, dancing, and clapping while being herded
into paddy wagons, after generations of abuse, and I cannot
imagine a large cross-section of Americans today with the
discipline to do the same if provoked. So goading a few people
into violence, and then using that to excuse a military
lockdown, doesn’t seem out of reach.</div>
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<div class="">Does anyone, anywhere, think the thing to make this
unrealistic would be trump’s getting cold feet or having qualms?
If so, then I think that person is on the wrong side of a
factual evaluation that has nothing to do with values or
character. One of the two positions is right. </div>
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<div class="">The rest is really a calculation. How degraded are
the other needed actors, and how wide is the margin of error for
the ones who would try it? There people could have opinions
deriving from their own characters or their beliefs in the
characters of others, which I can easily see disagreeing. It
also may not have a deterministic answer, but boil down to
accidents of circumstance. So the disagreement could reasonably
reflect this too.</div>
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<div class="">Dunno. If you can read enough news to know that S.
Korea exists, how can your intelligence lead you to believe
either that trump and co have done this well, or that if they
haven’t it’s no big deal? That to me does not seem to be a
question about ideology.</div>
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<<a href="mailto:stephen.guerin@simtable.com" class=""
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Marcus,<br class="">
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Do you have close friend or family member with
strong character and high intelligence that is also a
Trump voter? My brother-in-law is a submarine captain.
It was helpful to have a 3-hour call with him last
night. <br class="">
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I come away with the idea that his mental model is not
opposed to mine...it's more of a dual to mine on which
future Action can be defined :-)
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at 11:35 AM Marcus Daniels <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">Roger writes:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">< These people weren't
voting for rascism, misogyny, narcissism,
authoritarianism, xenophobia, gimp shaming,
science denialism, or all that other baggage,
they were overlooking it for reasons. ></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Many of those that could not
work due to COVID restrictions are often in
battleground or red states. That’s the only
way I can possibly begin to rationalize the 71
million. To me, overlooking those things is
unacceptable. It’s not useful to exercise any
empathy for them. They made a deal with the
devil. It should have been a win by 50
million, not 5 million.
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