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<p class="MsoNormal">Steve, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Did you hear the interview with the nice
young man who thought that we should suspend the constitution
for the next 20 years and let the Trump family handle things.
It was said completely guilelessly. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>This was Roger's Rant, (Rave, more apropos?) not mine, though I
do approve/endorse it. Am I that much of a chameleon that you
mistook his voice for mine?</p>
<p>-Steve<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nicholas Thompson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Emeritus Professor of Ethology and
Psychology<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Clark University<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger
Critchlow<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 11, 2020 11:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
Group <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><friam@redfish.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My generous read is that the Trump
enablers are allowing Trump to rage for a while, let the
lawsuits demonstrate their pointlessness, let him fiddle
with the government pointlessly, and hope that he'll come up
with a suitably Trumpian way to concede while not conceding,
probably a grandiose resignation. Arguing with him about
this is clearly a one way ticket to his shit list, and
having watched him rally so many voters to his candidacy
they are loathe to give even the least hint of abandoning
him. The TV networks taking his rants about fraud off the
air probably discourages him more than anything else.
Maybe we should offer to throw him a state funeral -- with
tanks and flyovers -- for the end of his term? And promise
that everyone will say it had better ratings than the Biden
inauguration?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The exit polls heard that 34% of voters
voted the economy, On TV I saw a black business woman
from North Carolina say her vote for Trump was about the
way he was making it easier for her business to succeed.
Then I heard a young latino from Florida say his vote was
against the democrat socialist tendencies. I listened to
a neighbor from the projects, who actually voted Biden,
rant about the evil of a welfare system that has
institutionalized single motherhood as a career and
intergenerational family tradition. These aren't the
typical voices of Trump's base, these are traditional
Republican issues: government regulations hurt business;
you can't fix the world by telling it to be better, no
matter what penalties; the best intentions can have
unintended consequences worse than the original disease.
These people weren't voting for rascism, misogyny,
narcissism, authoritarianism, xenophobia, gimp shaming,
science denialism, or all that other baggage, they were
overlooking it for reasons.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It might be my own fantasy, but I think
a majority of Americans do not disagree about the ends.
They would prefer an equitable society where none of the
usual suspects biased any one person's pursuit of
happiness in life. They would prefer to live in a world
where environmental disasters large and small were not
lurking around every turn of the season. They would
prefer if the rest of the world enjoyed the prosperity and
freedom that we have here. But there is a disagreement
about the means to these ends that's been a
Democrat/Republican talking point for almost a hundred
years now.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think the Democrats and Progressives
need to eviscerate the Trump coalition by persuading the
rational part of Trump's vote that it doesn't need hold
their nose and vote for Trump to be heard. Well, I guess
they did have to, but they won't have to in the future.
That will be an interesting feat of bipartisanship if
Biden can pull it off. Call it the New Way Forward.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-- rec --<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 8:48 AM David
Eric Smith <<a href="mailto:desmith@santafe.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">desmith@santafe.edu</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, much agreed Glen.<br>
<br>
I am getting to the point where something combining tedium
and stress-narcolepsy puts me to sleep, wading through
more newspaper articles saying in (performative?) outrage:
McConnell has just said this self-contradictory and
hypocritical thing! How could he! How can his supporters
not recognize this! etc.<br>
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Yes. And Duterte and MBS have just had some more people
killed, and Putin has poisoned somebody else. They will
cease to do this when they are stopped, and not before.
Their followers and collaborators too. So what’s the
plan?<br>
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Will be interesting if trump is firing people at DOD, in
the Pentagon, etc., because he wants, together with Pompeo
and Barr, to try some military move against either the US
public, or some other country to create some leverage
situation against the US public. My mind doesn’t work in
a way that recognizes what might be appealing to them to
try in that arena. <br>
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Best, so to speak, <br>
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Eric<br>
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> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:07 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <<a
href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gepropella@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Yep. The other thread talking about uniting us in the
face of polarization seem to miss this point. One pundit
expressed it well "You don't seek unity with your abuser."
As Barr and a host of Republicans, including McConnell
<<a
href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/republicans-trump-concede-2020-election.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/republicans-trump-concede-2020-election.html</a>>,
continue to hypocritically undermine the electoral
process, any attempt to "unite" with them is akin to
co-dependency with a narcissist spouse.<br>
> <br>
> *After* the dust settles, Biden has no choice but to
wrangle and hog-tie the bad faith actors into productive
behavior. But until then, everyone who continues making
unsubstantiated claims of fraud should be seen as what
they are. Skepticism is a good mistress, but a bad master.<br>
> <br>
> On 11/9/20 5:09 PM, David Eric Smith wrote:<br>
>> Those with access to Georgia TV stations can
watch David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler make a pack and
attack Raffensperger, or whatever his name is — the
election commissioner — because he ran an actually
remarkably competent and clean election, rather than
stealing it for them. Pretty transparent.<br>
>> <br>
>> I was impressed and thought he deserved a lot of
credit. Of course Stacey Abrams is a hero, but that’s
another story.<br>
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