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<p>Nick -</p>
<p>I should not be old enough to remember this, yet my mother
exposed me to it way too young... it was most likely post 3rd or
4th grade summer when she felt I needed to fill my days with
something besides wandering the hills with my dog, climbing trees
and watching clouds "rotate" into my 3dimensional world, becoming
familiar things like bunnies and faces. She assigned me to read
one short bit of literature each day and write a short poem (one
step below a limerick)... I remember reading a few pages a day of
"archy and mehitabel" and being deeply puzzled by everything from
the concept of a cockroach typing (I had not seen a cockroach by
that time in my life) to his highly stylized diction and
imagery. It probably bled into my "poetry" assignments. I
found the whole text disturbing, knowing that adults actually
found such nonsense interesting?<br>
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<p>I find your stuck double-u key to add a nice "signature" to your
writing... and references various issues of "coding" and
redundancy and compression. I doubt there are many if any
examples where the leaving out the W is in any way ambiguous to
those of us who have the context. I wonder what Google Doc's OCR
would make of it if you printed it out, scanned it in, and gave it
a chance to "guess" what you meant?</p>
<p>I own a classic (40s?) typewriter which I was told (by the woman
at the garage sale) that it belonged to her father who was widowed
in his 40s about the time she was coming of age. (it was of the
generation of typewriters which had no '1' key, leaving it to the
typist to use the lower case 'l' instead.) He was already
(going?) blind at the time, and ended up living with her as she
raised her own (young) family. A remote family friend and he
apparently developed a romantic but strictly epistolary
relationship. To facilitate it, she bought his "ladyfriend" a
braille typewriter and him the one I bought from her. They
apparently exchanged "love letters" (weekly?) for a couple of
decades until his lady friend passed away (in their 70s?). The
lady friend's family sent boxes of his letters to her after he
died, but kept the braille typewriter. She still had the bundles
of both of their letters that she wanted to find an archive to
accept, but had not yet. She showed me some of his letters where
his fingers had strayed from "home" so that some of the letters
were "off by one"... I didn't look closely, because it did read
as pseudo-gibberish, but it was likely one row-above because there
were numerals interspersed in the gibberish passages. I tried
typing with my eyes closed a few times just to see how it felt and
what came from it. I found that the offset from the space-bar
was a dead-giveaway for me when I was "off-home" by a row rather
than off-by a column. I think I was too self-conscious/aware as
I did it to be "natural" in my mistakes. I haven't tried typing
on the typewriter for over a decade, the ribbon is way too dry at
this point, I am sure, to do more than leave faint
impressions/marks. I suppose the braille version would not suffer
from this! I have a few sheets of braille from a manual which I
sometimes like to run my fingers over and imagine what it is like
to "read" this way... it triggers some interesting synaesthesia
but I nave no sense of being able to "read" it... I'm sure it
requires the same deliberate "bootstrapping" that sight reading
alphabetic (or any other form) of visual text requires.<br>
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<p>Keep on typing! Maybe you can switch out your broken W for "yet
another" key? <br>
</p>
<p>- Sieve<br>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Russell, et. Al.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Are any of you old enough to remember <i>Archie
and Mahitabel.</i> A tale of a love-lorn cockroach ho could
only type one key at a time by leaping on it. Hence no upper
case. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">It was a rip on e. e. cummings, a
famous poet of the time ith the same bad habit. My family
ent nuts about it in the 40’s. It contains meters and rhymes
only a cockroach could rite. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">That’s all I remember. I said I as
raised in a literary family, I never said I as literate. Let
me tell you, life ithout a double-u key truly sucks. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Nick <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Nicholas Thompson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Emeritus Professor of Ethology and
Psychology<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Clark University<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</a>. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Friam <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> On Behalf Of
Russell Standish<br>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 10:37 PM<br>
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><friam@redfish.com></a><br>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] New ways of understanding the world</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Was your laptop recycled from the White
House perchance?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><a
href="https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=121980&page=1"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=121980&page=1</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 09:47:22PM
-0600, <a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">thompnickson2@gmail.com</span></a>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Hmm! I don't think I (or glen) have
to be a creationist. Only a "start-in-the-middle-ist". I am
not interested in the "first structure". Let's figure out hoW
all the others Work and then We'll Worry about the first one.
(sorry, my doubleU key is effed up and Lenovo is back ordered
on keyboards. Does anybody kno a Lenovo executive I could
have slaughtered. ) The interest in the first of anything is
just creationism set loose from the constraints of religion.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> n<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Nicholas Thompson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and
Psychology Clark University <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <a
href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a>
<a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> From: Friam <<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>>
On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020
7:36 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> To: The Friday Morning Applied
Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">friam@redfish.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] New ways of
understanding the world<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> How about Try random stuff and
possibly reproduce? It is starting to sound like you are a
creationist. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> From: Friam <<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>>
On Behalf Of u?l? ???<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020
4:45 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> To: <a
href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">friam@redfish.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] New ways of
understanding the world<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> The AI has to have something to
*do*. That mechanism amounts to a theory. If the AI looks for
patterns in digits, then "look for patterns in the digits" is
a type of theory. If the AI tries to copy a set of encrypted
digits, then "decrypt and copy the digits" is the theory.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> I would further argue that the AI
cannot exist, the recipe/algorithm can't exist, without some
schematic definition of the things it'll operate on and for
tests of a successful operation. So, it would make sense to
claim that all 3 are required for there to be a theory. I'm
not making that strong of a claim. I'm only trying to back up
Nick on his claim that there must be some sort of prior theory
for any of it to "work" ... however "work" might be
understood.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> On 11/30/20 4:35 PM, Marcus Daniels
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > The one is the AI or the rat
and its related gene sequence? Or you need all three? I
claim that the last two are not a theory, and that an AI could
do that data mining.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > From: Friam <<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>>
On Behalf Of u?l? ???<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > Sent: Monday, November 30,
2020 4:29 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > To: <a
href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">friam@redfish.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] New ways
of understanding the world<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > Well, that *system*, {one,
person, genetic sequence} contains an endogenous theory (or a
set of possible theories). If you slice out the {one} doing
the operating, then you lose the theory.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > On 11/30/20 4:22 PM, Marcus
Daniels wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >> So if one is given a
person (or a rat) and a genetic sequence that animal amounts
to an endogenous theory? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >> From: Friam <<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>>
On Behalf Of u?l? ???<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >> Sent: Monday, November 30,
2020 4:14 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >> To: <a
href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">friam@redfish.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] New
ways of understanding the world<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >> Well, sure. But just
because the theory is endogenous, doesn't imply that theory
does not *exist*, nor that it's not *prior* to the launch. So,
even in that case, Nick's correct that the theory (or a
spanning kernel of it) exists before-hand.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >> On 11/30/20 4:06 PM,
Marcus Daniels wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>> Once one figures out
how the monitor reacts then one can see how certain registers
change as a result of changes in instruction sequences.
The relationship of a perturbation to an outcome is simple,
learnable and relatively unambiguous for a typical
microprocessor. Assembly of subroutines follow the same
principles. (One can observe a stack with enough
experimentation.) The language is learned (not given) and
the axioms implied by the structure of the machine. The goal
of copying is sort of beside the point. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>> -----Original
Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>> From: Friam <<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>>
On Behalf Of u?l? ???<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>> Sent: Monday, November
30, 2020 3:51 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>> To: <a
href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">friam@redfish.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM]
New ways of understanding the world<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>> But if we use the word
"theory" in its minimal sense of "a language and a set of
axioms", then your "to be copied so that it does the same
thing" *is* a theory, albeit a different theory (or containing
theory) for one that would treat the [un]copyable application
over and above the act of copying. What would be interesting
would be the *number* and diversity of theories
validatable/executable against any given set of tokens.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>> On 11/30/20 3:33 PM,
Marcus Daniels wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>>> I spent a fair
amount of my youth disassembling boot procedures of various
copy protection schemes. There one is given a list of
numbers that bootstrap an operating system and an
application. A small portion of that list of numbers is
relevant to preventing that list of numbers from being copied
from one media to another. It wasn’t really necessary to
have a theory of the application, generally, to understand how
to change the numbers to make that list copyable. If one had
no theory of a computer instruction set or of an operating
system, but was just given a disk and the goal of copying it
to get the computer to do the same thing when the copied disk
was put in to the disk drive instead of the original disk, it
is possible to learn everything that is needed to learn which
numbers to change. No oscilloscope needed, no theory of
solid state physics, etc. Ok, maybe one reference manual.
Biology is the same, but without a concise reference manual.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>>> *From:* Friam <<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>>
*On Behalf Of <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>>> <a
href="mailto:*thompnickson2@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">*thompnickson2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>>> *Sent:* Monday,
November 30, 2020 1:25 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>>> *To:* 'The Friday
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>>> <<a
href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">friam@redfish.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>>> *Subject:* Re:
[FRIAM] New ways of understanding the world<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>>> All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> >>>> I feel like this
relates to a discussion held during Nerd Hour at the end of
last Friday’s vfriam. I was arguing that given, say, a
string of numbers, and no information external to that string,
that no AI could detect “order” unless it already possessed a
theory of what order is. I found the discussion distressing
because I thought the point was trivial but all the smart
people in the conversation were arguing against me.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > --<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ<o:p></o:p></p>
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