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p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:Arial;">Nick,<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">You are summarily restating the position of the paper you are co-authoring. You may recall that I was a bit critical of that position in my comments on that paper. I remain so.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">davew<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div>On Tue, Dec 1, 2020, at 9:54 AM, <a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style="overflow-wrap:break-word;"><div class="qt-WordSection1"><p class="qt-MsoNormal">M. <br></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Algerian;">Every description engages a theory. It’s theories all the way down.</span></span><br></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal">N.<br></p><div><p class="qt-MsoNormal">Nicholas Thompson<br></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal">Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<br></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal">Clark University<br></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"><span style="color:rgb(5, 99, 193);">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><br></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"><span style="color:rgb(5, 99, 193);">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><br></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><p class="qt-MsoNormal"> <br></p><div><div style="border-right-color:currentcolor;border-right-style:none;border-right-width:medium;border-bottom-color:currentcolor;border-bottom-style:none;border-bottom-width:medium;border-left-color:currentcolor;border-left-style:none;border-left-width:medium;border-image-outset:0;border-image-repeat:stretch;border-image-slice:100%;border-image-source:none;border-image-width:1;border-top-color:rgb(225, 225, 225);border-top-style:solid;border-top-width:1pt;padding-top:3pt;padding-right:0in;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:0in;"><p class="qt-MsoNormal"></p><div><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus Daniels<br></div><div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:17 AM<br></div><div><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br></div><div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] New ways of understanding the world<br></div><p></p></div></div><p class="qt-MsoNormal"> <br></p><div><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Glen writes:</span><span style="color:black;"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt;"></span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"><1) there are different ways to try random,<br>2) there are different stuffs to be tried, and<br>3) there are different ways to reproduce.> </span><span style="color:black;"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt;"></span></span></p></div><div><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt;">It seems to me the taxa of life are a description not a theory.</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt;">Marcus</span></span><br></p></div><div class="qt-MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;" align="center"><hr width="98%" size="2" align="center"><br></div><div id="qt-divRplyFwdMsg"><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black;">From:</span></b><span style="color:black;"> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> on behalf of </span><span style="color:black;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol", sans-serif;">⛧</span></span><span style="color:black;"> glen <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com">gepropella@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 1, 2020 2:34 AM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] New ways of understanding the world</span></p><div><p class="qt-MsoNormal"> <br></p></div></div><div><div><p class="qt-MsoNormal"></p><div>1) there are different ways to try random,<br></div><div>2) there are different stuffs to be tried, and<br></div><div>3) there are different ways to reproduce.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The particular, concrete ways used to do 1, 2, & 3 constitute the theory.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On November 30, 2020 5:36:23 PM PST, Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div>>How about Try random stuff and possibly reproduce?<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>glen <span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol", sans-serif;">⛧</span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div>- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. .<br></div><div>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br></div><div>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam<br></div><div>un/subscribe <a 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