<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:Arial;">My original cite:<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><i>"what many of us purport to *want* ... common ground with which to have a discussion with the right wing wackos in our lives."</i><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">I took <i>"the right wing wackos in our lives"</i> as a reference to a subset of the body of Trump supporters, and more specifically the 74 million who voted for him, that we happen to be in contact with. I think that is consistent with comments in various threads about talking with / trying to understand Trumpists. Nick's and Marcus' responses in this thread would seem to affirm my reading of the referent. In that case, I stand by my remarks.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">It is quite possible that I was wrong. Your comments suggest that I was. Perhaps you literally meant to reference a group "Wackos," a subset of whom are "right wing" (without any implication that "right wing" within the wacko group have any correlation with right wing in a US political context), and the subset of them who are in our lives.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">If this is the case, then nothing I said pertains to Wackos or the Wacko culture. You would certainly be correct in asserting that I do not understand that culture, as I am unaware of the group, qua group, itself.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">However, I am the consummate outsider, identifying with no group nor culture and therefore can be guilty of egocentricsm, but never ethnocentrism. <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">An ethnography of the Wacko culture would be an interesting project. As a self-professed, flag possessing, member of that culture, could you provide some pointers to the commonly accepted hallmarks of a culture: shared world view, shared language, shared values, shared customs/behaviors, shared modes of dress, definitions of kinship (blood or virtual), shared technology, etc.?<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">davew<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">On Tue, Dec 1, 2020, at 6:07 PM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> OK. Well, *I* don't use it as a term for *other*. I count myself among <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> the wackos. Any reflective misfit will count themselves that way. I ask <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> myself on at least a daily basis whether or not I'm the crazy one. This <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> reflective *awkwardness* is even a theme in most modern comedies. To <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> think "wacko" is a synonym for "the other" misses a HUGE part of <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> popular culture. So, I can't help but wonder who, here, is guilty of <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> "ethnocentrism"? Perhaps it's those who think they understand a culture <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> they don't understand? >8^D<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> On 12/1/20 4:21 PM, Prof David West wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> > I do not take wacko literally — that was my point about the psychiatrist.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> > I do think that wacko is a synonym for "THEM," hence my focus on aliens and cultures.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> > Have to affirm my ** observation/opinion ** vis-a-vis ethnocentrism. 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