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< I took <i>"the right wing wackos in our lives"</i> as a reference to a subset of the body of Trump supporters, and more specifically the 74 million who voted for him, that we happen to be in contact with. I think that is consistent with comments in various
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One might try to understand childhood cancer too. Does cancer in childhood have a valid point of view?</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] wackos</font>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">My original cite:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial"><i>"what many of us purport to *want* ... common ground with which to have a discussion with the right wing wackos in our lives."</i><br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">I took <i>"the right wing wackos in our lives"</i> as a reference to a subset of the body of Trump supporters, and more specifically the 74 million who voted for him, that we happen to be in contact with. I think that is consistent
with comments in various threads about talking with / trying to understand Trumpists. Nick's and Marcus' responses in this thread would seem to affirm my reading of the referent. In that case, I stand by my remarks.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">It is quite possible that I was wrong. Your comments suggest that I was. Perhaps you literally meant to reference a group "Wackos," a subset of whom are "right wing" (without any implication that "right wing" within the wacko
group have any correlation with right wing in a US political context), and the subset of them who are in our lives.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">If this is the case, then nothing I said pertains to Wackos or the Wacko culture. You would certainly be correct in asserting that I do not understand that culture, as I am unaware of the group, qua group, itself.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">However, I am the consummate outsider, identifying with no group nor culture and therefore can be guilty of egocentricsm, but never ethnocentrism.
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<div style="font-family:Arial">An ethnography of the Wacko culture would be an interesting project. As a self-professed, flag possessing, member of that culture, could you provide some pointers to the commonly accepted hallmarks of a culture: shared world view,
shared language, shared values, shared customs/behaviors, shared modes of dress, definitions of kinship (blood or virtual), shared technology, etc.?<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">On Tue, Dec 1, 2020, at 6:07 PM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">> OK. Well, *I* don't use it as a term for *other*. I count myself among <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">> the wackos. Any reflective misfit will count themselves that way. I ask <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">> myself on at least a daily basis whether or not I'm the crazy one. This <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">> reflective *awkwardness* is even a theme in most modern comedies. To <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">> think "wacko" is a synonym for "the other" misses a HUGE part of <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">> popular culture. So, I can't help but wonder who, here, is guilty of <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">> "ethnocentrism"? Perhaps it's those who think they understand a culture <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">> they don't understand? >8^D<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">> On 12/1/20 4:21 PM, Prof David West wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">> > I do not take wacko literally — that was my point about the psychiatrist.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">> > I do think that wacko is a synonym for "THEM," hence my focus on aliens and cultures.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">> > Have to affirm my ** observation/opinion ** vis-a-vis ethnocentrism. Happy to defend that position but doubt interest.<br>
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