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<p class="MsoNormal">The main alarming thing, I guess, is that there is a large part of the world that is more easily motivated than me. I mean, it seems kind of boring to sort through all that. Impressive in sort of an autistic savant sort of way. I wonder
if they were paid well by U.S. standards. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Roger Critchlow<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 16, 2020 2:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] 5 agencies compromised<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">pwntastic, even.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-- rec --<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 11:07 AM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, it sounds like they were methodical and patient. Impressive work.<br>
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From: Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> On Behalf Of u?l? ???<br>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 7:06 AM<br>
To: FriAM <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] 5 agencies compromised<br>
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Well, it's one thing to simply screw up a dependency. Any programmer whose participated in a large project has done that at one point or another. But the interesting quote is this:<br>
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"Multiple trojanzied updates were digitally signed from March - May 2020 and posted to the SolarWinds updates website, ..."<br>
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They were digitally signed. Either they were legitimately signed and the vector is the typical one (humans [ptouie]) or the bad actor (not necessarily human) harvested a secret key and illegitimately signed them. And that's just the signing part. They also
had to *post* them, which may well be the easier part. But it still had to be done.<br>
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How did they 1) sign the packages and 2) post the packages?<br>
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On 12/15/20 12:23 PM, Prof David West wrote:<br>
> Web-based (most software) systems are a complicated Jenga tower of <br>
> dependencies, each one of which provides an access point for <br>
> introducing malware, trojans, viruses, etc. The story of Azer Koçulu <br>
> and how his removal of eight lines of code (left-pad) brought down <br>
> major Web actors and sites<br>
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> <br>
> <a href="https://qz.com/646467/how-one-programmer-broke-the-internet-by-deletin" target="_blank">
https://qz.com/646467/how-one-programmer-broke-the-internet-by-deletin</a><br>
> g-a-tiny-piece-of-code/<br>
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