<div dir="auto">I first heard the word extensively as a description of the appeal of Huey Long. He was a Louisiana farm boy who didn't like city people. As governor he ordered the National Guard to occupy New Orleans' City Hall. They set up machine guns in the hallways.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">See</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1565543033/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_MT34Fb7PP3SNJ">https://www.amazon.com/dp/1565543033/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_MT34Fb7PP3SNJ</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">He was famous for the campaign slogan, "A chicken in every pot."</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Frank<br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 23, 2020, 10:07 AM Steve Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I held my own idiosyncratic (generally positive) apprehension of
"populism" both for best and worst for the longest time... maybe
right up until it was applied to Trump's appeal. I now map
"mobocracy" much more strongly onto it. For me Mobocracy fails
worse than the mere implications of "unwashed masses", but rather
the entrainment aspects of mob-swarms. An idea doesn't have to
be "good" to be "popular". <br>
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like the resentment of poorly paid, poorly benefitted, and for
the most-part hands-on workers toward those who have
reasonably well-paying, well-benefitted, and
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 8:38
AM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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the extent I can be gzipped, am I not also redundant?<br>
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Subject: [FRIAM] if by 'populism' he meant ...<br>
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Britain’s Last Day in Brussels: A Populist Punch-Up <a href="https://bylinetimes.com/2020/12/08/britains-last-day-in-brussels-a-populist-punch-up/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bylinetimes.com/2020/12/08/britains-last-day-in-brussels-a-populist-punch-up/</a><br>
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I've struggled to understand what populism means. The
dictionary definition is no help (appeal to ordinary people)
because I don't think such people exist. There is no "average
person". We're all "elite" (special) in some way or another.
Each thing has its own particularity. (Down to Pauli
exclusion.) Binning concrete things into classes requires
removing particulars. This kindasorta implies that populism
means appealing to the most common feature set. Average every
possible feature and choose the top, say, 5-7 most common
features.<br>
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But that's a problem because we people aren't very objective.
So, a data-driven populist would stick pretty close to an
algorithm like that. But a "populist" politician probably
would not. There's some other criteria at work ... some
*conception* of the ordinary person that isn't objective ... a
kind of shared subjectivity, "intersubjectivity" <<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersubjectivity" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersubjectivity</a>>?<br>
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My *guess* is that the way "populist" is used refers to a
shared *delusion* ... like the American Dream, which was
always a delusion. It's simply becoming more obvious as our
information ecology changes. The intersubjectivity involved
seems to be a mass psychogenic illness <<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness</a>>
... kinda like popular music and the same damned person
winning the pop contest year upon year.<br>
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I'd be grateful for any criticism of that conclusion.<br>
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I have another idea that was triggered by the Byline article:
that populism is a kind of forcing structure [⛧], a reduction
from high to low dimension, from high to low diversity. Where
"elites" take an appropriate amount of time to, say,
explain/understand quantum decoherence, a populist
over-simplifies it so that the "ordinary person" can believe
they see it everywhere. Or, where "elites" accept the cost of
sympathizing with each particular wak they meet, the populist
stereotypes those [in|out] of their tribe. This 2nd idea could
be seen as a derivative of the 1st one, where the shared
delusion is the overly simplified model. I'm not as interested
in criticism of this 2nd idea. Killing the 1st idea would, I
think, kill the 2nd. But if the 1st idea sounds about right,
then it might be worth trashing the 2nd.<br>
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[⛧] ... whether [endo|exo]genous, which isn't irrelevant, but
perhaps tangential.<br>
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