<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I found this thread inspires me to remind everyone about the embodied (cradle to grave) energy not just in the production and use of the products you describe, but the embodied energy yet to be expended in the handling and ultimate disposal of the waste. This is just one example of why we are surely doomed.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 1:56 PM Tom Johnson <<a href="mailto:tom@jtjohnson.com">tom@jtjohnson.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><img width="0" height="0" alt="" style="display: flex; border: 0px; width: 0px; height: 0px;" src="https://www.cloudhq-mkt9.net/mail_track/mail/e49be928d949f4ed81_1609275377705?uid=226430"><a href="https://www.cloudhq-mkt9.net/mail_track/link/e49be928d949f4ed81_1609275377705?uid=226430&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnet.com%2Fhow-to%2Frecycling-electronics-what-to-do-with-your-old-laptops-phones-cameras-and-batteries%2F" target="_blank">https://www.cnet.com/how-to/recycling-electronics-what-to-do-with-your-old-laptops-phones-cameras-and-batteries/</a></div>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.<br>Center for Emergent Diplomacy<br><a href="http://emergentdiplomacy.org" target="_blank">emergentdiplomacy.org</a></div><div>Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA</div><div></div><div><br>mobile:  (303) 859-5609<br>skype:  merle.lelfkoff2<br></div><div>twitter: @merle110<br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>