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    <p>Kinda like the villain in a melodrama that spends the entire
      "last act" dying dramatically.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/7/21 3:57 PM, Frank Wimberly
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="auto">One of the senior psychoanalysts in Pittsburgh
        once said to my wife that nothing is sadder than the last act of
        a narcissist.
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        <div dir="auto">"Act" as a metaphor for part of a play.  I will
          be interested to learn whether I will have empathy for Trump
          during his last act.<br>
          <br>
          Frank<br>
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            Frank C. Wimberly<br>
            140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>
            Santa Fe, NM 87505<br>
            <br>
            505 670-9918<br>
            Santa Fe, NM</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 3:40 PM
          Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">The feeling must at least be bounded
                – it is simulated and controlled.   One is trying to get
                the upper hand.   </p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a
                      href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
                    <b>On Behalf Of
                    </b>Prof David West<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:36 PM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor.</p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">It
                    states that making a connection by showing the
                    target empathy is a great way to get past defenses
                    and obtain more credible information than torture —
                    and it said this long before CIA idiots decided that
                    waterboarding was the way to go.</span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">davew</span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, at 1:21 PM, <a
                    href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
                    target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>
                  wrote:</p>
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                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">I
                    wonder what the cia handbook says about empathy
                    during interrogation.</p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">n</p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
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                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Nicholas
                      Thompson</p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Emeritus
                      Professor of Ethology and Psychology</p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Clark
                      University</p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"><a
                        href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                          style="color:#0563c1">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a></p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"><a
                        href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                          style="color:#0563c1">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a></p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a
                            href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus Daniels</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
                          January 7, 2021 1:41 PM</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>To:</b> The Friday
                          Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a
                            href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com</a>></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM]
                          the power of metaphor.</p>
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                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">If the
                    CIA builds up a dossier on the foibles of a foreign
                    leader and possible ways to manipulate that leader,
                    I would not call that empathy.   Can one get in the
                    skin of another without feeling their pain or
                    validating it?   I think one certainly can, and that
                    it can be better to do that in many situations.  </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a
                            href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563c1">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>>
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b><a
                            href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563c1">thompnickson2@gmail.com</span></a></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
                          January 7, 2021 11:29 AM</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>To:</b> 'The Friday
                          Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <<a
                            href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563c1">friam@redfish.com</span></a>></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM]
                          the power of metaphor.</p>
                      </div>
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                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Does
                    seeing imply visual vulnerability?  Hearing imply
                    auditory vulnerability?  Well, I suppose.  Any time
                    we make ourselves open to information, I suppose we
                    are in some sense vulnerable.  But aren’t we also
                    impowered?  Feelings only make one vulnerable if one
                    fails to process them. </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">N</p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Nicholas
                      Thompson</p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Emeritus
                      Professor of Ethology and Psychology</p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Clark
                      University</p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"><a
                        href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                          style="color:#0563c1">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a></p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"><a
                        href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                          style="color:#0563c1">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a></p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
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                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a
                            href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563c1">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>>
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus Daniels</p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
                          January 7, 2021 12:03 PM</p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>To:</b> The Friday
                          Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a
                            href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563c1">friam@redfish.com</span></a>></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM]
                          the power of metaphor.</p>
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                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">A
                    problem with empathy is that it typically understood
                    to be a “feeling”.   Feeling means offering
                    vulnerability.    The class of people we are
                    discussing should not be offered that.   They should
                    be shown, in a calm and steady manner, to a bland
                    government bus after the empathy value is firmly in
                    the off position.</p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a
                            href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563c1">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>>
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b><a
                            href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563c1">thompnickson2@gmail.com</span></a></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
                          January 7, 2021 9:51 AM</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>To:</b> 'The Friday
                          Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <<a
                            href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563c1">friam@redfish.com</span></a>></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM]
                          the power of metaphor.</p>
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                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Well, I
                    hate to shortcut a perfectly good argument, but I
                    think, now, we agree.  If you concede that empathy
                    is a form of perception whose value as information
                    cannot be denied, I can readily agree that so
                    focusing on one’s empathy as to avoid all other
                    sources of information is dangerous and stupid  <i>and
                      cloying.
                    </i> </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Nick</p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
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                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Nicholas
                      Thompson</p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Emeritus
                      Professor of Ethology and Psychology</p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Clark
                      University</p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"><a
                        href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                          style="color:#0563c1">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a></p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"><a
                        href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                          style="color:#0563c1">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a></p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  </div>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a
                            href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563c1">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>>
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus Daniels</p>
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                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
                          January 7, 2021 11:39 AM</p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>To:</b> The Friday
                          Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a
                            href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563c1">friam@redfish.com</span></a>></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM]
                          the power of metaphor.</p>
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                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Sure, I
                    use my eyes and visual cortex to judge the speed of
                    an oncoming car.   But I shouldn’t model that last
                    fractions of a second before impact in luxurious
                    detail.  That’s suicidal.  I should step on the
                    brakes or the gas to avoid the collision.   That’s
                    what all this empathy talk strikes me as – giving
                    dangerous people so many mental cycles that they do
                    collide into you.    Wringing ones hands before
                    victimization is complete.  No, take the mental
                    cycles and develop some tactics and strategy for
                    preventing these people from being dangerous.  </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">I only
                    mention Ted Cruz because he seems a slightly
                    interesting person, in a sort of satanic way.   Most
                    of the others are mad dogs as far as I am concerned.</p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
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                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a
                            href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563c1">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>>
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b><a
                            href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563c1">thompnickson2@gmail.com</span></a></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
                          January 7, 2021 9:30 AM</p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>To:</b> 'The Friday
                          Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <<a
                            href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563c1">friam@redfish.com</span></a>></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM]
                          the power of metaphor.</p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Marcus,</p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">You
                    could not have written what you wrote here, with
                    it’s searing pointedness, without empathy.  Empathy
                    is not an ideology; is an organ of perception. </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">n</p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Nicholas
                      Thompson</p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Emeritus
                      Professor of Ethology and Psychology</p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Clark
                      University</p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"><a
                        href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                          style="color:#0563c1">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a></p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"><a
                        href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                          style="color:#0563c1">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a></p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                    <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  </div>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <div>
                    <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1
                      1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in
0in;border-right-color:currentcolor;border-bottom-color:currentcolor;border-left-color:currentcolor">
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a
                            href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563c1">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>>
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus Daniels</p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
                          January 7, 2021 11:05 AM</p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>To:</b> The Friday
                          Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a
                            href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563c1">friam@redfish.com</span></a>></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM]
                          the power of metaphor.</p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">The
                    prior reflections by Glen on young adulthood makes
                    me wonder about Ted’s.   Was there a particular
                    point at which he decided to be a public person and
                    that he realized he could find an angle in any
                    situation?   Did he anticipate what his life would
                    become, or did he just fall into it?  Sometimes it
                    seems like he doesn’t even enjoy it.   It seems
                    there is no objective distance he gets from his
                    nihilism.  There’s just always the next thing he has
                    to do.</p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <div>
                    <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1
                      1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in
0in;border-right-color:currentcolor;border-bottom-color:currentcolor;border-left-color:currentcolor">
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a
                            href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563c1">friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>>
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b><a
                            href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563c1">thompnickson2@gmail.com</span></a></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
                          January 7, 2021 8:53 AM</p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>To:</b> 'The Friday
                          Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <<a
                            href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:#0563c1">friam@redfish.com</span></a>></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Subject:</b> [FRIAM] the
                          power of metaphor.</p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Bret
                    Stephens, a NYT columnist, described Ted Cruz as “a
                    serpent covered in Vaseline” .  Will I ever get that
                    image out of my head?</p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Nick</p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Nicholas
                    Thompson</p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Emeritus
                    Professor of Ethology and Psychology</p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1">Clark
                    University</p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"><a
                      href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563c1">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a></p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"><a
                      href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563c1">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a></p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
                  <p class="m_-6175756913147361664qt-msonormal1"> </p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">FRIAM Applied Complexity Group
                    listserv</p>
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                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn
                    GMT-6  <a href="http://bit.ly/virtualfriam"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563c1">bit.ly/virtualfriam</span></a></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">un/subscribe <a
                      href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
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                      href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563c1">http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/</span></a></p>
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                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">FRIAM-COMIC <a
                      href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563c1">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</span></a> </p>
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          FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>
          Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6  <a
            href="http://bit.ly/virtualfriam" rel="noreferrer
            noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br>
          un/subscribe <a
            href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com"
            rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br>
          archives: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/"
            rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/</a><br>
          FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/"
            rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a>
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Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6  bit.ly/virtualfriam
un/subscribe <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a>
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