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<p>Scott Adams might have been speaking ironically? I don't have
his original text.<br>
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<p>"an effective persuader in a world where facts don't matter" does
not "a great communicator" make... it makes something rather
different...</p>
<p><TR;dbttR><br>
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<p>Being able to read a room (or individual), identify their greed
and fear triggers, and then play them deftly... that is a
manipulative con man, not a communicator. One who can play 74M
people and incite a violent attack by many thousands of them on
the seat of our government (insurrection) might have cult-leader
qualities, but I'd not call them a "great communicator", I'd call
it something else entirely. <br>
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<p>It isn't clear that what our "glorious leader" has done with the
rest of the world leaders over the last 4 years qualifies as
"great communication" either, though maybe he did effectively
communicate *his* lack of respect for former allies and *his*
authoritarian envy for the "success" of the likes of Putin, <span
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!important; float: none;">Erdoğan</span>, Bolsonaro, Duterte,
bin Salman, maybe even Kim Jong Un?</p>
<p>To be clear, I don't think much about how many of Trump's
followers are "deplorables" because I think of most of them as
simply deluded and in his thrall, naturally the deplorable among
them are merely the "ragged edged poison tip" of his spear. <br>
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<p>I'd be interested to hear what you believe Trump has been
communicating to his supporters, his non-supporters, our (former)
allies around the world, and our (former) all this time? And is
what he's been communicating been honest in fact and in heart?<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">DaveW did not claim Trump was a
great communicator — he did (attempt to) cite Scott Adams' book,
<i>Win Bigly,</i> where Adams, who considers himself a great
communicator, argued that Trump was the same and that was why he
was going to win the election against Hillary — which he did.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Steve adds: <i>"I believe it is
duplicitous and divisive to claim he is "a great
communicator" That implies both depth and breadth, that he is
listening to a broad swath of the country and he is speaking
to a broad swath."</i><br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Adams argues, and I completely
agree, that this is exactly what Trump did in 2016, does today,
and will continue to do in the future. A broad enough swath to
win in 2016 and attract 40 million votes in 2020.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">I said in 2016 (when I was also
predicting Trump's win) that it was a huge mistake for Democrats
and the Media then, to focus on the 1-10 percent of Trump
supporters who were certifiably wacko and card carrying members
of the "Basket of Deplorables," and pretending the 90-99% did
not exist and did not have legitimate and perhaps even
reasonable reasons for supporting someone — for policy and
philosophical reasons — that they found to be despicable as a
person.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">In this post, I believe SteveS is
perpetuating that mistake.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">While ranting, may I remark that
the social media and tech platforms essentially removed
themselves from rule 230 protection (when it gets to the courts)
by banning Trump and Parler. Modifying 230 is a bipartisan
objective, but it will be real interesting to watch the
rhetorical contortions the Dems will have to perform when
considering actual legislation.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">davew<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, at 10:57 AM,
Steve Smith wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> I didn't take the bait on
Friday's vFriam when DaveW (as I remember)<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> claimed that Donald J Trump
was "a great communicator". (same as<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> Reagan was credited by his
fans and perhaps more reluctantly his<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> detractors?)<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> I suppose Trump is very
effective at one mode of transmission of his<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> ugliest sentiments, which I
find to be at best a very degenerate form of<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> CO mmunication.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> Whatever skills he has for
"reading a crowd" and reflecting back that<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> which serves his purposes
feels more like Neurolinguistic Programming<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> (NLP) than "communication".<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> I believe it is duplicitous
and divisive to claim he is "a great<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> communicator" That implies
both depth and breadth, that he is listening<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> to a broad swath of the
country and he is speaking to a broad swath. <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> Perhaps by a twist of
interpretation, you *can* claim that he has his<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> finger on the pulse of those
he whips into a seditious and<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> insurrectional frenzy as well
as those he cannot so instead whips into<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> what has been called "Trump
Derangement Syndrome" (TDS). His apparent<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> ability to instigate TDS in
virtually everyone (type A or type B) is<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> somewhat unique... though
authoritarian figures around the world have<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> done it for millennia? <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> One (DaveW?) could also argue
his sublime ability to give clear<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> direction/orders to his
underlings (e.g. Michael Cohen, et al) without<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> ever actually saying anything
indictable. This is the stuff of Crime<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> bosses, right? Very
effective communicators within a very narrow (and<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> useful to them) context.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> DaveW's assertion on Friday
provided me the perspective and motivation<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> to look a little deeper into
the question of just what makes Trump's<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> style of communication so
dangerous. The previous post with the<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> Politico article about
Sedition vs Insurrection came to me from that<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> unconsciously I think.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> - SteveS<br>
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