<div dir="auto">Who would cook and wash the dishes? JOKE.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 9:09 PM Eric Charles <<a href="mailto:eric.phillip.charles@gmail.com">eric.phillip.charles@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">At least from the brief summary, the book seems to assume a very heterosexual world. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteronormativity" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteronormativity</a> <div><br></div><div>I've been to a few gay clubs, and a few drag shows, and let me assure you that it is quite possible to have non-dreary spaces where there are not women. </div><div><br></div><div>"Oh my god, what would men do if women suddenly disappeared?!?" .... I mean, yeah, that's a mystery <eye roll>.... <buys stock in sex-doll companies, gay entertainment conglomerates, and lube manufacturers></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:19 PM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal">“Heteronormative?” <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">n<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Nicholas Thompson<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Clark University<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Charles<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 13, 2021 5:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam@redfish.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Talent and Moral Luck - Steelman attempt<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Odd... my initial reaction to the synopsis was that it sounded very heteronormative :- D<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 5:36 PM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Uck! A world without women; would it be SEXIST to say, I think that would be a truly dreary place? How could it NOT be sexist to say that? Hmmmm!<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Nicholas Thompson<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Clark University<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Smith<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 13, 2021 1:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam@redfish.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Talent and Moral Luck - Steelman attempt<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><pre>One could drive the cash to a recipient, or send Bitcoin. There's no requirement of anyone to afford a donor of any particular convenience. <u></u><u></u></pre></blockquote><p>I submit this apocalyptic tale from Frank Herbert (Dune):<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/93448.The_White_Plague" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/93448.The_White_Plague</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><p>Relevant Synopsis: Scientist (microbiologist/virologist) has his wife and daughter(s?) killed in a terrorist (IRA) attack on civilians. He withdraws from his work, consolidates his assets and builds a biolab in the basement of a farmhouse in Iowa (or similar). He gene splices a virus that has A) good longevity outside of human body; B) spreads easily and well; C) kills only women. He consolidates his remaining assets into small bills; laces them with the virus; sends modest donations to every front for terrorist organizations he can discover. He built in a time-out that *should* stop the virus after the appropriate number of generations to kill all of the terrorist/ally women. This is where all goes awry... a mutation? breaks the timeout and the virus spreads around the world leaving all but a few handfuls of women who happened to be in some kind of isolation (e.g. in space, yachting around the world, etc.) ... this is the first two chapters or so, the rest (bulk) of the book is post-apocalyptic yadda yadda but with the overtone of all the surviving men in the world having to come to terms with how much they took their women for granted, etc. <u></u><u></u></p><p>Sadly, I fear this scenario is not nearly as far fetched as it was when he wrote it (80s?)... <u></u><u></u></p><p>Cross breed this story with Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash" and you get virus that collapses the world economic system... <u></u><u></u></p><p> <u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><pre> <u></u><u></u></pre><pre> <u></u><u></u></pre><pre>-----Original Message-----<u></u><u></u></pre><pre>From: Friam <a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> On Behalf Of jon zingale<u></u><u></u></pre><pre>Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 9:26 AM<u></u><u></u></pre><pre>To: <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam@redfish.com</a><u></u><u></u></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Talent and Moral Luck - Steelman attempt<u></u><u></u></pre><pre> <u></u><u></u></pre><pre>Very well summarized. I am hearing that Nick's question is one of cultural cultivation. Finding and maintaining a sweet spot seems crucial. Is it the responsibility and obligation of those with power to sit at the head of the household, to play the role of daddy to all free persons? I watched a DW broadcast where it was reported that financial services like Stripe no longer allow users to donate money to Donald Trump, and Deutsche Bank has cut business ties with him. The report closed with a broadcaster saying, "Well, it looks like money talks". I couldn't help but think that it was exactly the opposite, a place where money will not. I was left thinking that I could donate money to a felon sitting in prison, but not the exiting president of the United States (not that I have such an ambition). Here pressures on Trump's context are being reformed to reflect a new status for the man. 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