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<p>Jon -<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">That is true, though not free of further consideration. Eric's steelman
highlights a tight coupling between individual and society, tight enough
that actions on the *negative space*[1] of society are effective actions
induced on the individual. Similar arguments arise when we talk about
lowering one's individual carbon footprint by not driving. Extensionally,
this is fine but ignores the fact that computational difference amounts to
much more than *convenience* in practice[2]. Not driving is self-gimping and
only makes it harder to influence the necessary change.</pre>
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<p>This is a good place to insert some aphorisms:</p>
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<p>"sometimes the most you can do is nothing"</p>
<p>"less is more"</p>
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<p>maybe "what needs to be done" is back down our leverage ( kind of
like limiting the killing power of weapons in the hands of
individuals, or the performance/wastefulness of other technologies
with known bad side-effects... automobiles, water-wasting systems,
etc.).</p>
<p>I understand the arguments of not losing ground against
competitors, but that evokes arms-race, red-queen, and race-to-the
bottom.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">That said and in further response to Barry, to treat Trump as a felon (which
he likely ought be) and to exact this judgment through indirect means sets a
dangerous precedent by ignoring type. However, maybe this is what we want
our society to be like? I think I must be ok with the idea that it is
*mobsters all the way down*, but again, I keep hearing idealistic talk of
ethics on this server.</pre>
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<p>World as Lover, World as Self, World as Battleground, World as
Trap:</p>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://tricycle.org/magazine/world-lover-world-self/">https://tricycle.org/magazine/world-lover-world-self/</a><br>
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<p>I don't think of any of this as "ethics" proper, just a larger
view of consequences including: "what kind of world do I want to
live in?"<br>
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<p>- Steve<br>
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