<div dir="ltr">Barry:<div>Thanks for taking the time to analyze and write. <br>Of course, you are correct on both points. My guess is that the problem/challenge on #1 is that the data on hospital stays is, at best, being collected only at the individual hospital and not yet being aggregated at any higher level. But perhaps someone is this merry band knows otherwise. Second, there is a culture of data hugging when it comes to hospitals, often driven by uninformed assumptions about HIPAA. So while such data probably exists, an individual hospital or hospital group are reluctant to give it out. All that said, the problem with journalists and data is that the majority have at, best limited, interest in data and analyzing it. Remember, journalism is the second refuge of the mathematically phobic. One of the worst examples I see is every day in the New Mexican, where it carries some stats and data of the latest COVID count, but does so showing things like the latest change by ZIP. (a) This fails to account for the vast differences in ZIP code population, hence (b) failure to put the cases in the context of cases per 1,000 or 10,000.</div><div><br></div><div>And yet again, the devices are not voting machines. They are vote-counting machines, but the general public -- including journos -- don't know why or how they are different.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again,</div><div>Tom<br clear="all"><div><img width="0" height="0" class="chq-track-image" alt="" style="display:flex; border: 0; width: 0px; height: 0px" src="https://www.cloudhq-mkt9.net/mail_track/mail/a40704023def657526_1611859017362?uid=226430"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br>============================================<br>Tom Johnson - <a href="https://www.cloudhq-mkt9.net/mail_track/link/a40704023def657526_1611859017362?uid=226430&url=mailto%3Atom%40jtjohnson.com" target="_blank">tom@jtjohnson.com</a><br>Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA<br>505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h)<br><a href="https://www.cloudhq-mkt9.net/mail_track/link/a40704023def657526_1611859017362?uid=226430&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.shitrk.com%2Fr%2Fe%2FgKZPlcLpr22FxZ16x%3Fr%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fnmfog.org%2F" target="_blank"><b><font color="#0b5394">NM Foundation for Open Government</font></b></a><br><b><font color="#0000ff">Check out <a href="https://www.cloudhq-mkt9.net/mail_track/link/a40704023def657526_1611859017362?uid=226430&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.shitrk.com%2Fr%2Fe%2FvgmO7TnWV99HmQVrx%3Fr%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fpages%2FIts-The-Peoples-Data%2F1599854626919671" target="_blank">It's The People's Data</a></font></b> </div><div>============================================</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><div><img width="1" height="1" id="shtracking_1s2" src="https://tc1.shhtrk.com/e/mQ9AyXMnLVV87KGW/5jpvMy1zmrk8G1BY/mxGkn85KGR4dXZvj" alt=" " style="display:none"></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 8:38 AM Barry MacKichan <<a href="mailto:barry.mackichan@mackichan.com">barry.mackichan@mackichan.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p dir="auto">Tom, you’re a journalist, so now that I have your (virtual and asynchronous) attention, I’d like to register some complaints.</p>
<p dir="auto">We seem to get the same data again and again, but there is critical data that noone has included in what I’ve read. Two examples:</p>
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<li value="1">We get daily death rates and number of hospitalizations, but no information about the average length of a hospital stay for a covid patient. This may not seem important, but if I want to compute the probability of dying from covid once you are hospitalized, I need it. It is (deaths/hospitalizations)*length-of-stay — this is because one person contributes 1 to the count of hospitalization for each day he is hospitalized, but can contribute at most 1 to the deaths. The naive calculation of the probability would be about 3% (3K/100K), but if the length of stay is 5 or 6 days, the true calculations show the odds of survival are the same as one round of Russian roulette.</li>
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<p dir="auto">It’s possible that the journalists have not given us this data because the data sites (<a href="http://covidtracking.com" target="_blank">covidtracking.com</a> and Johns Hopkins) don’t have it. Good opportunity for a “scoop”.</p>
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<li value="2">A definition of a voting machine. Based on my experience in NM and in North Carolina, the only machines were scanners. I have seen one photograph of a Dominion “voting machine”, and the branding on the machine said “Dominion scanner.” It would be hard to corruptly modify the results from the scanner, and absolutely impossible to do so in a case where the hand count matches the scanner count. Fifteen years ago, there were lots of voting machines that did not produce paper ballots, and these were eminently hackable. But no journalist I’ve read has made any distinction between the machine types (and it is possible that all modern voting machines are scanners reading paper ballots. If so, tell us.)</li>
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<p dir="auto">You are of course innocent of these lapses, but maybe you could tell some of your journalist friends that they are leaving out vital information.</p>
<p dir="auto">Thanks for listening (if you got this far).</p>
<p dir="auto">—Barry</p>
<p dir="auto">On 27 Jan 2021, at 14:49, Tom Johnson wrote:</p>
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The <a href="https://www.cloudhq-mkt9.net/mail_track/link/a9654e6b1556032541_1611776974509?uid=226430&url=https%3A%2F%2Flc3.shitrk.com%2Fr%2Fe%2FW9OxRfQxV1nH40zGw%3Fr%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.bsg.ox.ac.uk%2Fresearch%2Fresearch-projects%2Fcoronavirus-government-response-tracker" rel="noopener follow" style="font:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline;outline:none;color:rgb(0,0,255)" target="_blank">Oxford COVID-19 Government Response Tracker (OxCGRT)</a> provides policy data…”</p></div><div><img width="0" height="0" alt="" style="display: flex; border: 0px; width: 0px; height: 0px;" src="https://www.cloudhq-mkt9.net/mail_track/mail/a9654e6b1556032541_1611776974509?uid=226430"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br>============================================<br>Tom Johnson - <a href="https://www.cloudhq-mkt9.net/mail_track/link/a9654e6b1556032541_1611776974509?uid=226430&url=mailto%3Atom%40jtjohnson.com" target="_blank">tom@jtjohnson.com</a><br>Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA<br>505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h)<br><a href="https://www.cloudhq-mkt9.net/mail_track/link/a9654e6b1556032541_1611776974509?uid=226430&url=https%3A%2F%2Flc3.shitrk.com%2Fr%2Fe%2F5KGR4cK49zVSrMkPr%3Fr%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fnmfog.org%2F" target="_blank"><b><font color="#0b5394">NM Foundation for Open Government</font></b></a><br><b><font color="#0000ff">Check out <a href="https://www.cloudhq-mkt9.net/mail_track/link/a9654e6b1556032541_1611776974509?uid=226430&url=https%3A%2F%2Flc3.shitrk.com%2Fr%2Fe%2FBNmKkirZWQPirw9Pg%3Fr%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fpages%2FIts-The-Peoples-Data%2F1599854626919671" target="_blank">It's The People's Data</a></font></b> </div><div>============================================</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><img width="1" height="1" id="gmail-m_418500434825957232shtracking_1s2" src="https://t.shhtrk.com/e/ZGYVy9OLQRvDb37r/5jpvMy1zmrk8G1BY/mxGkn85KGR4dXZvj" alt="" style="display: none;"></div></div></div></blockquote>
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