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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>M.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>But, if the cochlea can't handle what the fft serves up, the brain doesn't get the information it expects, and so the sound is garbled. The torture of deafness is not only loss of volume but that one clearly hears what just as clearly could not have been said. This the dream-like quality of mis-hearing, where the deaf person hears some wildly improbable utterance rather than any that might be expected. I keep offering the idea (in the hope of being contradicted) that such mishearings violate a general principle of perception that, <i>ceteris paribus</i>, we see what we expect to see. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I slandered Frank and unslandered SteveG. The diagram is from the latter. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><img width=445 height=562 style='width:4.6319in;height:5.8541in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01D6FE13.A03B1A70"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Clearly the diagram is non-sense, right? It depicts amplitude but claims to provide frequency or wave length data. But both of the latter require differential “representation”, right. Moreover, the depiction of the cochlea as flat and “unrolled” is one of those “assume-a-spherical-cow” things. Cows aren’t spherical and cochlea aren’t flat AND they ARE cooped up in a bony spiral. How does that distort the wave as it sloshes around the spiral, constantly turning right? And what about back waves arising from the pulsing of the lower window? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I stipulate that it’s easier to ask questions than to answer them, but, just on the face of it, don’t you agree that what we were taught in graduate school is nuts?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Nick Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>ThompNickSon2@gmail.com<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels<br>Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 11:41 AM<br>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br>Cc: 'Boozer Daly' <shizame@sbcglobal.net><br>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] what complexity science says ...</p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>They do frequency-lowering with dedicated FFT hardware, it sounds like. That sounds more like brain issue than cochlea issue?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>From: Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>> On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>thompnickson2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 8:51 AM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>friam@redfish.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Cc: 'Boozer Daly' <<a href="mailto:shizame@sbcglobal.net"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>shizame@sbcglobal.net</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] what complexity science says ...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Right exactly. But the hearing aid is BEFORE the cochlea. So if hearing aids are crap, it must be because they do something to the sound that the cochea cannot adjust to. So, in Mike's absence, land with the help of Frank's diagram, let's take this step by step. The sound enters the external ear and knocks on the tympanic membrane. The membrane, in turn operates the tiny bones of the stapes, which in turn compress the inner<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>membrane. So in what way is a digitized, analysed sound ill suited to what<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>happens next. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>N<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Nick Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>From: Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>> On Behalf Of jon zingale<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 8:39 AM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>To: <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>friam@redfish.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] what complexity science says ...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>If I remember correctly, this wasn't Mike's argument. 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