<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="auto">I remember posting on Usenet about 15 or 20 years ago (I think it was about neural networks on comp.ai or so) and then suddenly Marvin Minsky himself replied "look I have done that already in 1960 or 1970). I was impressed to get a response from him, after all he was at MIT and had written "The society of Mind" etc.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am still impressed by the progress Google has made. If you look at Google Translate it is just amazing to see how good the translations are already. This was unthinkable 20 years ago. I believe the success comes from the amount of data they use in a smart way. Halevy, Norvig and Pereira called it "The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Data"</div><div dir="auto">https://research.google/pubs/pub35179</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-J.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div align="left" dir="auto" style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: jon zingale <jonzingale@gmail.com> </div><div>Date: 2/24/21 20:05 (GMT+01:00) </div><div>To: friam@redfish.com </div><div>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Interview with Jeremy Howard </div><div><br></div></div>"The result is reasonable pattern recognition which lacks explainability".<br><br>I would prefer to say *lacks explanation*. Historically, Minsky<br>inadvertently pushed the field's academic development underground for a few<br>decades, but this isn't really enough (IMHO) to establish a pattern of<br>cycles. While I know it can be annoying to make comparisons between<br>artificial neural networks and their biological analogs, this need for<br>*explanation* seems common to both. I am impressed by the progress that is<br>being made and remain hopeful that more is yet to come. OTOH, there is a lot<br>of difficult engineering, scientific, mathematical, and philosophical work<br>still ahead.<br><br><br><br>--<br>Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/<br><br>- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. .<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam<br>un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com<br>FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/<br>archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/<br></body></html>