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<p>I live on Bundy Lane (100 meters long, with three other
households) off of NM 502 and when I give directions to the house
I describe it as "Bundy Lane as in Al or Ted" but have had to add
"or Ammon and Cliven" to be more current. In another decade I
hope none of those references mean anything.<br>
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<p>Yes, there is an element of "chumming" among all the "spinning"
and "churning". I also liked Glen's usage of "spinning" with
"Wing Nuts" a while back... if Doug were still with us, he'd
probably throw in some off-color reference to "Spinners" as well.
The boon/bane of metaphor I suppose. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/10/21 4:41 PM, Roger Critchlow
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Or chumming, as in throwing bloody fish in the
water to attract sharks.
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<div>I read BLM protests on first scan as a reference to the
Bundy stand-off, per Wikipedia:</div>
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span
style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">The
2014 </span><b
style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Bundy
standoff</b><span
style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> was
an armed confrontation between supporters of cattle rancher </span><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliven_Bundy"
title="Cliven Bundy"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"
moz-do-not-send="true">Cliven Bundy</a><span
style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> and
law enforcement following a 21-year legal dispute in which
the </span><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Land_Management"
title="Bureau of Land Management"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"
moz-do-not-send="true">United States Bureau of Land
Management</a><span
style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> (BLM)
obtained court orders directing Bundy to pay over $1 million
in withheld </span><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grazing_fees#United_States"
class="gmail-mw-redirect" title="Grazing fees"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"
moz-do-not-send="true">grazing fees</a><span
style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> for
Bundy's use of federally owned land adjacent to Bundy's
ranch in southeastern </span><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada" title="Nevada"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"
moz-do-not-send="true">Nevada</a><span
style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">.</span></blockquote>
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<div>Just another note on the hazards of acronyms. Especially
with erratic memories involved.</div>
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<div>-- rec --</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 3:28
PM Steve Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p>Not speaking for Nick, *I* think politics (vs
statesmanship) are at the very *least* _rhetorical_. I
believe rhetoric often includes direct deceit. A great
deal of politics in the US today (maybe forever) is
acutely deceitful, even when it isn't attack-oriented.
One party is significantly more bold than the other in
that regard. DaveW may invert the sense of that
judgement, but probably agrees that deceptive rhetoric is
a mainstay in politics.</p>
<p>I think the "Civil War" metaphor isn't just deceitful, it
is intentionally provocative and deeply disingenuous. My
personal opinion is that the angry Right Mob and the
Puppeteers yanking their strings wants a *literal* Civil
War so that they can exercise their superior firepower and
brutality to obtain/retain singular minority rule over a
growing majority coalition of minorities. I think the
rhetoric of the last year from that quarter trying to
imply that the LEFT was on the verge of starting a hot
Civil War if they "didn't get their way" was more
projection, and intended to create a certain amount of
cover and/or precedent for the type of coup attempt we saw
on December 37th and the acute threats of violence from
the right that has been bubbling for a very long time. <br>
</p>
<p>Perhaps "Cold Civil War" is more apt and less suggestive
of endorsing/tolerating violence as a means.<br>
</p>
<p>Even the most violent of BLM and related protests did not
aspire to overthrow government or reverse an election.
While their attempts to hold law enforcement accountable
in response to specific recent incidents (it is not a
small list) and systemic abuses might have risen above a
threshold of violence that many of us might approve, the
movement was NOT about disenfranchising anyone except the
very public servants who are supposed to work for us
("Protect and Serve").</p>
<p>All that said, I'm not unsympathetic with the resentments
"the common man" has against their elected Representatives
in our Republic, but any rhetoric that suggests that the
Left is worse than the Right is acutely disingenuous. <br>
</p>
<p>Regarding the term "spin"... I *do* think it is apt in
the sense of "making your head spin" but I think the
metaphor of "churn" is yet more apt in the sense that a
great deal of the point seems to be to generate lots of
obfuscation by conflation. Muddying the waters...</p>
<p>- Steve<br>
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<div dir="ltr">That's because you think politics is
essentially deceitful?
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 10, 2021
at 1:59 PM <<a
href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I always thought the metaphor
was to a web of deceit. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">n</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nick Thompson</p>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Critchlow<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 10, 2021 12:53
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied
Complexity Coffee Group <<a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] civil war(s)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at
3:34 PM Prof David West <<a
href="mailto:profwest@fastmail.fm"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">profwest@fastmail.fm</a>>
wrote:</p>
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style="margin-bottom:12pt">schisms might
be a better metaphor than civil war.<br>
<br>
you are correct that there is, and always
has been, "churn" among factions within
both parties and any significance given to
a particular instance of that churn e.g
GOPS taking committee assignments away
from a flake or the Nevada state party
instance — originate in the mind of the
one pointing at the event rather than
intrinsic to the event itself. One reason
that I find most political headlines to be
examples of wishful thinking rather than
communicators of significance.<br>
<br>
davew</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Second that, it's why
they call it spin, cause it makes your
head spin if you pay too much attention.</p>
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