<div dir="ltr">Or chumming, as in throwing bloody fish in the water to attract sharks.<div><br></div><div>I read BLM protests on first scan as a reference to the Bundy stand-off, per Wikipedia:</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">The 2014 </span><b style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Bundy standoff</b><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> was an armed confrontation between supporters of cattle rancher </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliven_Bundy" title="Cliven Bundy" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Cliven Bundy</a><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> and law enforcement following a 21-year legal dispute in which the </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Land_Management" title="Bureau of Land Management" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">United States Bureau of Land Management</a><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> (BLM) obtained court orders directing Bundy to pay over $1 million in withheld </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grazing_fees#United_States" class="gmail-mw-redirect" title="Grazing fees" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">grazing fees</a><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> for Bundy's use of federally owned land adjacent to Bundy's ranch in southeastern </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada" title="Nevada" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Nevada</a><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">.</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Just another note on the hazards of acronyms. Especially with erratic memories involved.</div><div><br></div><div>-- rec --</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 3:28 PM Steve Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Not speaking for Nick, *I* think politics (vs statesmanship) are
at the very *least* _rhetorical_. I believe rhetoric often
includes direct deceit. A great deal of politics in the US today
(maybe forever) is acutely deceitful, even when it isn't
attack-oriented. One party is significantly more bold than the
other in that regard. DaveW may invert the sense of that
judgement, but probably agrees that deceptive rhetoric is a
mainstay in politics.</p>
<p>I think the "Civil War" metaphor isn't just deceitful, it is
intentionally provocative and deeply disingenuous. My personal
opinion is that the angry Right Mob and the Puppeteers yanking
their strings wants a *literal* Civil War so that they can
exercise their superior firepower and brutality to obtain/retain
singular minority rule over a growing majority coalition of
minorities. I think the rhetoric of the last year from that
quarter trying to imply that the LEFT was on the verge of starting
a hot Civil War if they "didn't get their way" was more
projection, and intended to create a certain amount of cover
and/or precedent for the type of coup attempt we saw on December
37th and the acute threats of violence from the right that has
been bubbling for a very long time. <br>
</p>
<p>Perhaps "Cold Civil War" is more apt and less suggestive of
endorsing/tolerating violence as a means.<br>
</p>
<p>Even the most violent of BLM and related protests did not aspire
to overthrow government or reverse an election. While their
attempts to hold law enforcement accountable in response to
specific recent incidents (it is not a small list) and systemic
abuses might have risen above a threshold of violence that many of
us might approve, the movement was NOT about disenfranchising
anyone except the very public servants who are supposed to work
for us ("Protect and Serve").</p>
<p>All that said, I'm not unsympathetic with the resentments "the
common man" has against their elected Representatives in our
Republic, but any rhetoric that suggests that the Left is worse
than the Right is acutely disingenuous. <br>
</p>
<p>Regarding the term "spin"... I *do* think it is apt in the sense
of "making your head spin" but I think the metaphor of "churn" is
yet more apt in the sense that a great deal of the point seems to
be to generate lots of obfuscation by conflation. Muddying the
waters...</p>
<p>- Steve<br>
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<div dir="ltr">That's because you think politics is essentially
deceitful?
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 1:59
PM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I always thought the metaphor was to
a web of deceit. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">n</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nick Thompson</p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Critchlow<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 10, 2021 12:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] civil war(s)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 3:34 PM
Prof David West <<a href="mailto:profwest@fastmail.fm" target="_blank">profwest@fastmail.fm</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">schisms
might be a better metaphor than civil war.<br>
<br>
you are correct that there is, and always has
been, "churn" among factions within both parties
and any significance given to a particular
instance of that churn e.g GOPS taking committee
assignments away from a flake or the Nevada state
party instance — originate in the mind of the one
pointing at the event rather than intrinsic to the
event itself. One reason that I find most
political headlines to be examples of wishful
thinking rather than communicators of
significance.<br>
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davew</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Second that, it's why they call
it spin, cause it makes your head spin if you pay
too much attention.</p>
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