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<p>This is going off topic in a hurry. Sure no public bathrooms in
Santa Fe has been a problem for years. Should the city use its
wealth, if it has any to spare, to build some? Are we saying in
principle wealth should be used to help the disadvantaged (small
bladders)? Isn't the problem, what system of wealth distribution
should we adopt as a society in an effort to make us 'civilized'.
Do we want to be more civilized - whatever that means?</p>
<p>Robert C</p>
<p>PS Let's not get into a discussion of the differences between
bathrooms, restrooms, toilets, lavatories, WCs, bogs, outhouses,
pit-stops, the gents, the ladies, powder rooms, etc.) R <br>
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<div dir="ltr">:( yeah. Exactly. In that specific example. Maan I
can't count the number of times when I was still in hiking
shape, doing short hikes, or walking to downtown, how often in
summers after drinking water along the way. I'd need to find a
bathroom.Elderly, Kids, hell just about anyone with blader or
just wanting to freshen up some. But as much as at confuses me.
Like you say, society has some issues.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 12:56
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<p class="MsoNormal">People here complain about homeless
people relieving themselves in the streets. The
solution seems so simple, especially in the city:
Builds more public bathrooms. Duh. One small example
of how unreasonably ruthless our society has become.</p>
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<b>On Behalf Of
</b>Gillian Densmore<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 15, 2021 11:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Marcus. what a load. Let me tell
you something. I am bairly scraping by. it's only
because of luck I am not on the streets or someones
home. people that are retired and working, arguably,
that's theft. people that still have to pay off a
morgage, or rent or what ever else to actually F'n
live. Do have to have money. just the reality of
things. Liking other stuff? yeah that's great. But
until such time as we get our collective heads of our
asses and admit that burn and churn boomer level stuff
of making your work your life, when now: anyone under
80 or 60 actually enjoy or want to make work their
life? me either. I for one need work, so as that I for
one can actually live and afford things. Its great
people on this list take forgranted how god awful it
is to choose between a full tank of gas and healthy
eating or going out with a cute babe. I have to make
that choice. It fucking sucks, it reely does. I have
been hit with age-ism. Sexism, yeah, turns out a lot
of places won't hire men, because they think cute
girls being the face of a company meens more horny
ass teens or what ever their marketing dweebs have
gaslighted them into thinking. That meens they will
get more people to squander money on stuff.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry/not sorry. Just about every
place, every article ever. says that the true cost
of living most places in the use has vastly outpaced
what anyone makes. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">SantaFe anyone actually live here
long? nope. Why: the cost of fucking living! People
pile ontop of eachother, heart rending stories of
people having to work 3 and 4 fucking jobs even at
above slave-wage levels at underemployment. Cost of
living is the corossive beating vile toxic slime at
the top 10 problems.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Great that people are
independently wealthy, can afford 99 cars, turn
around and whine about how they don't autodrive, or
what ever. I think that is fantastic! for the rest
of us: I have aghettotastic jellopy. It's white
anyone here seen me at wedteck? see that old ass
car. yeah I have to keep it working for a while
despite it's mechanicle quirks.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Greed and Malice is another side
to wealth. Anyone think it's especially great we
worship the wanker dweebs called CEO's wo are making
200% proffifts while an estimated 70% of americans
up to 2019 were underemployed? me either.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All that is also directly tied to
cost of living. I am seriusly looking to move
because my 36 month long plan: get a job, get
health. and with any luck meet someone very very
amazing. I want her to never wory about anything
I'd be a stay at home father. At least that's ideal
dream! lol. Either way when that warm kind amazing
special person wants to be in my life. what do you
think will be in the top 10 or even 15 things to
come up a lot: how do afford X, who do we talk to
about y how do invest in AwesomeCompany to have a
bad ass investment portfolio?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All that, to deel with the pure
stupidity of cost of living. Well that and it's just
a good idea to have solid investments.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Part of the costs of living is
hitting americans for no good reason now to.
Inusrance. why do not have a NHS like, um bassicly
every other country? I don't know. but. after you
get laid off because of a virus. No insurance and
that's a stupidly high cost. that adds to the costs
of living.</p>
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Marcus Daniels <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don’t find the cost of
living argument so convincing. If one can
accumulate wealth and retire or work remotely,
it is possible to get the benefits of a low cost
of living while still having a high income.
However, what’s unsaid, is that people do value
other things, like being in the vicinity of
their friends and family. Also in the U.S.,
especially, what we value is a political
football. If half a million people die of
COVID-19, that can be defined away in the name
of jobs. Or the economy can be equated with
the markets, etc. How much terror and
suffering is enough to make one doubt ones
definition of wealth?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert J. Cordingley<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 13, 2021 6:44
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth
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<p>Steve</p>
<p>If you are taking a poll...</p>
<p>For starters on what wealth might mean
economically, it might be useful to understand
the
<a
href="https://www.worlddata.info/cost-of-living.php"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">cost of
living and purchasing power by country</a>.
Is 'wealthy' some factor based on a ratio of
income over cost of living?</p>
<p>I don't know how you would measure cultural
wealth and how colonialism played a part in its
accumulation via subjugation. There must be
other categories of wealth; spiritual wealth,
artistic wealth, land ownership, public wealth,
private wealth, etc.. How would native Americans
and other indigenous population discuss the
concept?</p>
<p>At the excessive levels of the ultra-rich
(Besos and co), wealth is for giving away for
perhaps some altruistic purpose. Cynically, some
might see this as a way for making amends for
all the transgressions committed on the way?</p>
<p>More commonly wealth is accumulated to help the
next generation in one's family regardless of
culture and purchasing power?</p>
<p>Robert C.</p>
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we please start with how we define
"wealth." Please.</span></p>
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12:31 PM Steve Smith <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tangenting off of the
Great Man discussion, I would like to
solicit a<br>
discussion on "What is Wealth for". I
believe we have attended to this<br>
on the side many times (I remember a
vFriam where it was declared that<br>
"Billionaires are Assholes, but
Millionaires aren't (necessarily)"? <br>
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Each of our Great (Wo)Men on the
snark/not-snark list share one thing in<br>
common, Wealth. I'd be interested to
hear others riff a little more on<br>
their taxonomies of "what is Wealth for?"<br>
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