<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:Arial;">From Glen:<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><i>"Being poor is very difficult and time consuming. The specious Puritan rhetoric that even if you're poor, all you need do is spend all your free time working, forgets that you tire out (in short-) and burn out (in long-term), physically, mentally, emotionally."</i><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">There are numerous studies that suggest hunter-gatherer societies were more 'affluent" than contemporary [pleabes | proles | serfs | working classes] in that the former spent like 15 hours a week to obtain basic food, housing, shelter, progeny than the latter.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">That suggest to me that any discussion about wealth or poverty needs to be in context.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">Move those hunter-gatherers into a new context, one where they are suddenly aware that <b>They</b> lack the obscure rock band T-shirts that <b>Others</b> have and suddenly what was not poverty becomes so.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">davew<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, at 9:22 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> Well, going back to the topic SteveS tried to discuss, I reject the <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> semantic pedantry around settling on a crisp definition of "wealth" <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> before being able to have a discussion. The dictionary definition is <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> fine. But 1 component of being affluent or having a hoard of valuable <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> artifacts is, as Gillian makes clear, the breadth of one's repertoire. <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> Being poor is very difficult and time consuming. The specious Puritan <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> rhetoric that even if you're poor, all you need do is spend all your <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> free time working, forgets that you tire out (in short-) and burn out <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> (in long-term), physically, mentally, emotionally.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> And the primary detriment to that exhaustion is that the curiosity and <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> energy you pour into various parts of your repertoire is drastically <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> limited. Nobody's going to, say, read Ulysses after the night shift of <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> their third job, especially if they have a kid, or have to pay bills <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> with money they don't have.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> So all these ways of knowing infinity sound like toys for wealthy <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> people to me. Getting psilocybin into the hands of *public health* <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> psychiatry would be fantastic. But the core problems won't be solved as <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> long as we're living under individualist neoliberal capitalism. A basic <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> income, public health, and reliable infrastructure will do more to help <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> your everyday yahoo know infinity better than a few one-off indulgences <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> by a few already wealthy dudes.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> As Nick and Robert suggest, having the time and energy to explore and <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> expand one's repertoire. That's what wealth allows, even if it seems <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> like most of the celebrities squander it.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> On 3/15/21 9:15 PM, Prof David West wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> > Totally different item: I sure would like to take some of you (especially you glen) the places I have been where I intellectually, viscerally, emotionally, somatically, and kinesthetically experienced and understood really cool things like infinity.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> -- <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. .<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 <a href="http://bit.ly/virtualfriam">bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> un/subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">> archives: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/">http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">><br></div></body></html>