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<p class="MsoNormal">If there is true randomness, are the rolls of the dice a surprise to her too?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Frank Wimberly<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 20, 2021 7:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Draft abstract<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Reminds me of Calvinism. It is predetermined whether you will go to Heaven or Hell but you'd better behave as if it isn't.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Frank C. Wimberly<br>
140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>
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505 670-9918<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 4:35 PM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">< I once knew a very intelligent determinist who argued that punishment was important nevertheless. It
plays the same role as training for neural nets. Even though the neural net mechanism is deterministic, it's useless without training. Punishment, and more generally child-rearing and education serve the same function for society. They make humans much more
valuable members. All that is fully compatible with determinism. ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Later in the process the humans may be a bit better, but it couldn’t have been any other way. Or, if
one allows for true randomness, it could be many ways, but none of them are controllable.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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