<div dir="auto">Seance--next best thing. Here is an essay Hywel sent me. Good writer.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/11SRDUoyoBUhY-Fqrz8EcygBVY_y8XQd3MkGklrIeQkw/edit?usp=drivesdk">https://docs.google.com/document/d/11SRDUoyoBUhY-Fqrz8EcygBVY_y8XQd3MkGklrIeQkw/edit?usp=drivesdk</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I tried to post this years ago but it was too large. The link should work.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Frank<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 9:23 PM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_-7793308857589971726WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Aw, heck! Let’s do a séance “Hywel, if you can hear us, make the screen blink three times.” <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Nick Thompson<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:#0563c1">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:#0563c1">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Frank Wimberly<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 24, 2021 8:50 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam@redfish.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Hywel's anti-representationalism<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Too bad you can't ask Hywel.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 8:45 PM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Spin ½ objects are spin up or down, no? What is going on with the length of an object below the +/- 0.1 nm absolute precision of a meter?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Frank Wimberly<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 24, 2021 6:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam@redfish.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Hywel's anti-representationalism<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Slight clarification. Hywel said, "The number one does not exist." I think he was talking about measurement error and that no physical object is exactly one meter long. That's when I asked him how many mothers he had.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 5:59 PM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Such are the joys of dualism!<br><br> n<br><br>Nick Thompson<br><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</a><br><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</a><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> On Behalf Of jon zingale<br>Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 5:24 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam@redfish.com</a><br>Subject: [FRIAM] Hywel's anti-representationalism<br><br>>From time to time, I find myself reflecting on the wisdom of my old friend<br>Hywel, and this time in particular, on the anti-representational nature of<br>his epistemology. Hywel was well known for his aphorisms and most famously<br>the declaration that:<br><br>"Mathematics is fine, but it is better to know what you are doing".<br><br>Occasionally, I would hear this as a staunch refutation of math envy. Upon<br>more gracious reflection it occurs to me that there is much to be gained<br>from substituting, in the aphorism, "Mathematics" for "Representation".<br>Perhaps, even better would be the declaration that:<br><br>"Representation is fine, but it is better to know directly".<br><br>Hywel would often decry the existence of numbers, to which Frank would<br>playfully reply, "Hywel, how many mothers do you have"? Hywel's response was<br>a tacit smile, his wisdom would need to wait for a more amenable moment.<br><br>Hywel's thought was radically empirical. The *world* itself was the thing to<br>know and everything else an, often convenient, illusion. To proceed with the<br>discussion, granting mothers, was to already concede a denotational<br>worldview that was not his own.<br><br>It is perhaps more insightful to reflect on his views on non-units. Hywelian<br>epistemology admits no two things the *same*. To discuss neutrinos with him,<br>the area of his expertise, was to discuss the experiments themselves, the<br>blips of particle detectors, and the tubs of baby oil. Relations always<br>between direct perceptions. To ask him about the exchangeability of protons<br>was to have a discussion about particle decay. All symmetries, illusory.<br><br>While representationalists find themselves in paradox pondering the source,<br>whence objects come? 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