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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/4/21 12:16 PM, Marcus Daniels
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">I suppose I shouldn’t pick on academics.  
          Patents are worse.    With a patent, one prevents innovation
          by others and delays implementation by the “owner” whereby she
          loses the incentive to flesh out the details that are
          invariably absent in the disclosure.   The point of liberalism
          is to enable the cicada to keep singing, because singing is a
          high-order behavior and grubbing around for food is a
          low-order behavior.   The ant has tunnel vision and is merely
          surviving, taking up space for no reason other than to
          survive.</p>
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    <p>My post-LANL career includes to spectacular face-plants involving
      someone else's "Patent Bull$hite".   In both cases, "camera
      arrays", one freeform (nominally planar) and the other spherical
      (nominally inter-pupillary-distance-separated-eyes) which IMO were
      *full* of technical holes and incompletenesses.   I got sucked in
      over the spirit of the technology and what it *could* be.   It
      took me order years to discover (in each case) that the economic
      drivers behind it all had no interest in honestly advancing the
      technology beyond the conceptual basis of the patents which were
      circa 1995 and whose earliest precedents were as early as 1930 and
      by some stretch going all the way back to the Greeks or at least
      Da Vinci.   I lent them whatever credibility I had (or could be
      imputed by my own background, if not my actual skillset) and
      helped them defend their patents (one was going up against Disney
      who was "infringing") and helped them idea-monger their way into
      getting bought out by a bigger fish who got gobbled by a
      yet-bigger fish, leaving me with unpaid invoices standing in line
      behind a long line of similar folks.    My bad for being a dumb
      business person.  Yet, I also saw the folly and the inevitibality
      of *Intellectual Property* in our world.    I don't know if the
      myriad white papers and opinions I wrote for them hold under the
      NDAs I signed since in most cases I never received (anywhere near)
      the full remuneration that was implied (but silly me, not
      expressly stated in the NDAs as full contracts).   <br>
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    <p>I would claim *virtually everything* I was doing with/for them
      and even aspiring to do has been deprecated by advancements and
      can *now* find academic papers from that era demonstrating that I
      was far from the only one who understood the full (humbly,
      "broader") implications of the technology and in fact, many
      exploited it (in a non-commercial way) in exactly the ways I was
      trying to help my commercial patent-holders exploit.  It was their
      "close to the vest" stylization  that kept them from moving
      forward smartly and "striking while the iron was hot"...  so I
      don't really feel sorry for them missing their boat, nor me
      either.   I just wish I'd jumped in and started swimming
      confidently at the time, I might have something more than old man
      stories and just so stories and anecdotes for furlongs to offer
      for the experience.   On the other hand, I would have just managed
      to help "pave over the planet faster"..  who knew that my own
      (business) incompetence would turn out to be my greatest (human)
      asset?</p>
    <p>BTW... the grapes were sour (Aesop reference).</p>
    <p>- Souze<br>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of
              </b>Steve Smith<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 4, 2021 10:44 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>Jochen -<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>I grew up on Grimm (and Aesop, and Uncle Remus, and
          Kipling(thus all my "just so" stories)?)  how ffffFFing GRIM!
          They were.   A good counterpoint to the Little Red Hen/Frau
          Holle (Calvinist?) parables might be the "Ant and the Cicada" 
          at least in the 18c French Version, where there is no
          judgement held (necessarily) against the Grasshopper by the
          Ant...  allowing room for diversity of values and differing
          objects of value (the Ant valuing the Cicada/Grasshopper's
          music and exchanging his *hoard* of foodstuff in exchange for
          comraderie and entertainment).   Some (Calvinists? 
          Libertarians) would perhaps consider this translation an
          "apologistic" version, "letting the lazy/stuid Cicada off too
          easy".   What WOULD Ayn Rand say?<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>- SS<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">The fable of the little red hen is
              unknown here in Germany, but everyone knows the fairy
              tales of the brothers Grimm. There is a fairy tale named
              "Mother Hulda" (Frau Holle) which is a parable that <span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
                UI",sans-serif;color:#202122">hard work is rewarded
                and laziness is punished. These fairy tales are similar
                to the parables in the Bible. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><a
                href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frau_Holle"
                moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frau_Holle</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">-J.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">--------
                Original message --------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">From: <a
                  href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">
                  thompnickson2@gmail.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Date: 4/4/21
                05:32 (GMT+01:00) <o:p>
                </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">To: 'The
                Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
                <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><friam@redfish.com></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Subject: Re:
                [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic
                <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Marcus
              hath wroth:<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="quotation"><span class="quotationchar">I know Nick
                once dreamed of publications out of FRIAM</span>.<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Nick
                doth reply:
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="quotation">Well, I have already gotten two
                publications out of writing to this list (in part). 
                It’s a case of
                <a
                  href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Red_Hen"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">little red hen</a> syndrome. Or
                perhaps the reverse: you all helped me and I still I ate
                all the bread. 
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Nick
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Nick
                Thompson<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
                  href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
                  href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
                  Friam
                  <a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a>
                  <b>On Behalf Of
                  </b>Marcus Daniels<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 3, 2021 11:33 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
                  Coffee Group <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">
                    <friam@redfish.com></a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Part
              of the model would involve finding seasonality like that. 
               A difficult part would be building the NLP capability to
              generate plausible sentences from each agent type.
                However, there’s a big archive to draw upon if one were
              to take a statistical inference approach.  General
              dispositions would be pretty easy, I think.   At least
              they are obvious to me.    Also noteworthy is that there
              are classes of subconversations that I think just has to
              do with demographics.  For example, remember the late XYZ.<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
              know Nick once dreamed of publications out of FRIAM.  I
              wonder if he’d settle for a finite state machine?    If it
              all worked out, though, I’d have to find a replacement
               procrastination activity.<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
                  Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Smith<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 3, 2021 9:23 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"> Marcus
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <p class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                once wrote an agent model of some of my colleagues.  It
                was a minor catharsis.   If I were to write one for
                agents that have first names that start with the letter
                “S”, I’d have a predicate that waited for a long thread
                to evolve, and then summarized them with a few
                tangential snarkier-than-thou remarks.    It would be a
                better accomplishment to learn the deterministic agent
                behavior with a hidden markov model, maybe.  Authorship
                comes with the ability to embellish, which is maybe one
                appeal of ABMs. <o:p></o:p></p>
            </blockquote>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p>So... "snarkier than thou" isn't the FriAM objective
              function?   I'm sure I get a double-dose from having both
              first and last name beginning with 'S'.  I should probably
              try reading with a different lens...
              <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p>To be fair (to me, because, who else?) I wrote that one
              much earlier in the thread than it appeared.   I am fairly
              busy on Fridays which is one of the reasons I don't weigh
              in often on vFriam...  but whilst in the spirit of April
              1, I couldn't help misreading the original subject line.  
              I might have taken the extra moment to trace the whole
              thread that followed, but I suppose I imagined everyone
              likely to weigh in on the thread was on vFriam beating the
              horse of free will with their gumflaps rather than their
              touchtyping.  My bad.<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p>I *will* claim the title "more tangential than though"
              and maybe even "TL;DR-er than though", and as evidenced
              here "more self-explanatory than though".<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Your
              ABMs could be rather revealing and perhaps therefore
              entertaining...<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
                    Friam
                    <a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a>
                    <b>On Behalf Of
                    </b>Steve Smith<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 2, 2021 1:05 PM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the
                    Atlantic<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dave
                West wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
              <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Pieter
                      quoted: <i>"the brain is a physical system like
                        any other, and we have no more will to operate
                        it in a particular way than we will our heart to
                        beat".</i></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">But
                        we do have the ability, and can "will" our heart
                        to beat in a particular way.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Not
                      only that, we (at least some individuals in the
                      world) can control pretty much every aspect of our
                      "autonomous nervous system." I learned how to
                      generate alpha waves in my brain while awake and
                      talking. Researchers recently conducted cogent
                      conversations with individuals in the middle of
                      lucid dreams. Then there is all the "bio-feedback"
                      data and practices. Hundreds of similar examples
                      could be cited.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Just
                      because we don't, as a general rule, does not mean
                      we cannot.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Not
                      saying anything in this post is an argument for
                      free will — just that the quoted argument against
                      free will is fatally flawed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
              </blockquote>
              <p>nahhh...   it just looks like you (and the Swamis) can
                modify your autonomic functions and your brain waves... 
                the fact is, given who you/they are in those
                circumstances, you *had* to, you couldn't have chosen to
                do otherwise!   In fact you can't help but *believe* you
                had free will and exercised it, just like *I* who am
                sure you *don't* have free will have no choice but to
                believe *that*.    Anything else is *inconceivable* ! (<i>"there's
                  that word again"</i> -Inigio Martinez)<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p>Or at least *that* is what I choose to believe today. 
                I wonder if I will have a choice about what I feel about
                all this today?  Or after some more limp-noodle-beatings
                of the topic here?
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p>Arg,<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p> - Smarg<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p>PS... Don't free Willy in the Atlantic, his entire pod
                is in the Pacific.   Was that a Trump-administration
                rule, that unaccompanied minor Orcas stuck in Seaworld
                can only be released in an ocean other than that of
                their origin!  Happy onecet of April!<o:p></o:p></p>
              <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">davewest</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
                    Fri, Apr 2, 2021, at 7:10 AM, Pieter Steenekamp
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"
                  id="qt">
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">From
                        a strict scientific perspective I accept that we
                        don't have free will. I don't argue that we have
                        free will. I accept, and I quote from the
                        article quoted above:<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">"the
                        brain is a physical system like any other, and
                        we have no more will to operate it in a
                        particular way than we will our heart to beat".
                        But...<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">From
                        how humans perceive our own actions, I assert
                        that we do have free will of "some sorts''.
                        Similar to some computer programs that also have
                        free will of "some sorts". We all agree that
                        AlphGo who beat Lee Sedol in Go does not have
                        free will, it did exactly what the computer code
                        instructed it to do, but it came up with
                        creative play that the human programmers did not
                        even know about. This is in my view also "some
                        sorts" of free will.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
                        Fri, 2 Apr 2021 at 14:15, Jochen Fromm <<a
                          href="mailto:jofr@cas-group.net"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">jofr@cas-group.net</a>>
                        wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid
                      windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in
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                      204, 204)">
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Was
                            it only 150 years ago when Charles Darwin
                            first published 'On the Origin of Species' ?
                            It feels longer. Interesting story from
                            Stephen Cave<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/theres-no-such-thing-as-free-will/480750/"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/theres-no-such-thing-as-free-will/480750/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
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                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">-J.<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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