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<p class="MsoNormal">The problem is what to do at night. Santa Fe could invest in a big battery system to soak up excess during the day.
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<p class="MsoNormal">That means the city would have buy megawatt-scale batteries and homeowners would need to broadly deploy panels and/or have their own batteries.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">How many people want another loan for a payoff that takes a decade to turn a profit?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 15, 2021 11:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Pieter,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That just HAS to be wrong. What am I missing, here? NOT a rhetorical question.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Does anybody know, in orders of magnitude, the relation between the potential rooftop gain and the total energy needs of a place like Santa Fe?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Pieter Steenekamp<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 15, 2021 11:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yeah, just like we were seriously running out of stuff in 1980<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon%E2%80%93Ehrlich_wager">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon%E2%80%93Ehrlich_wager</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 19:41, Merle Lefkoff <<a href="mailto:merlelefkoff@gmail.com">merlelefkoff@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Nick, I think we have an energy supply problem. We don't have enough stuff left in the ground to dig up to supply our technology much longer at a price anyone can afford. I have a colleague
who has calculated that we will run out of copper in three years, as just one example. My understanding is that copper wire conducts most of our electricity. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 11:17 AM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">A naïve question: Do we have an energy supply problem or do we have an energy distribution problem? For starters, let there be a solar collector on the roof of every house in
santa fe, roughly the area of the roof (roofly the area of the rough?) . Assuming energy were entirely miscible, what proportion of the total energy needs (except food, of course) of Santa Feans would that generate. I assume hundreds of percents, right?
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Merle Lefkoff<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 15, 2021 10:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum<o:p></o:p></p>
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while an electric car's embodied energy amounts to 34 700 kWh. Perhaps if he knew this he wouldn't be so optimistic. We are racing toward our doom.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Transitions", similar to "</span>The Major Transitions in Evolution" from John Maynard Smith and Eörs Szathmáry<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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