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<p>I find "wokeism" or "wokeness" or "woke" to be a caricature of
something important, but perhaps a little intractable, for me at
least. <br>
</p>
<p>I have doubled down on paying attention to the BLM activities and
probably watched every minute of the Chauvin trial, trying to
grasp what the real and deeper fundamental issues actually are
(hidden under a few layers of misdirections by the strongest
proponents on both sides).</p>
<p><another one of my Very Too Long; Don't Expect Many To Read
Rants> <br>
</p>
<p>I am happy with the process and outcome for the most part and
hope we are turning a new chapter on both Systemic Racism and
Police Abuse, and especially the cross product of the two. I
liked the quotes that it is "not Justice, but it IS
Accountability". After the other officers on scene and the whole
department who must have tolerated (if not sanctioned) the likes
of Chauvin (and Tau?) for years have been brought to some
Accountability, I'll believe that there is some Justice, at least
in Milwaukee. There are dozens of other outstanding cases with
similar profile to be addressed (and more coming all the time)
before I would feel like "Justice" as been approached, much less
achieved. And while it is almost exclusively African American
people under abuse in the limelight, I know we need the *other*
oppressed groups who also suffer inordinate police-abuse to have
similar accountability before we have "Justice" on a broader
scale.<br>
</p>
<p>My whole life, I've tried (and surely failed) to have enough
empathy to not only make room for, or tolerate "all kinds" but
when I can find enough common ground or appreciation as my own
"other" to their "other" to be supportive in some way or another,
including trying to help change the systemic issues involved, not
just my own personal behaviour or of those in my immediate
circle. <br>
</p>
<p>I grew up in the multicultural milieu of various "Hispanic" and
"Native" subcultures mixed with (mostly) late comer "whites". I
have never lived among enough African American or Asian American
or really any other (pick a cultural/regional/ethnic group) to NOT
experience members of those classes exclusively as
*individuals*. Reviewing my grade-school and high-school rosters
I see just slightly more "Hispanic" surnames than otherwise. I
had precisely 3 african-american schoolmates in high-school (out
of 300ish), one was geeky enough to be in my friend group, one was
our star athlete/student and *everybody* wanted to be his friend,
he probably doesn't remember my name. The third was missing a
hand at the wrist and had a chip on his shoulder and tended to
pick fights with anyone he could get away with it. I like all
three of them, though the last one could be difficult to be around
when he was looking for someone to exercise his angst with, we
tolerated one another well minus one or two incidents in 7th
grade. <br>
</p>
<p>The "Hispanics" I went to grade-school with were roughly
grandchildren (or great-grandchildren) of direct descendants of
Spanish colonists who arrived after the Pueblo Revolt and settled
in the Socorro area and became Mexican citizens after the
revolution, then hopped 100 miles east after the US Cavalry
rounded up (and killed off) the Apache living in the region in US
Territorial days, a few of the older generation still spoke only
Spanish. The self-identified as proud descendants of Spanish
Colonizers (but distanced from the violence of the Conquistadors).
While there was some awareness of race/culture (virtually all
Hispanics were Catholic, virtually all Whites/Natives were not).
There were plenty of marriages between the two "groups" and the
teachers, county officials and (few) merchants were represented by
both groups evenly.<br>
</p>
<p> The "Hispanics" I went to high school with were almost
exclusively the (great)grandchildren of the flourishing Mexican
culture who woke up one day after the Gadsden purchase to abruptly
be US Citizens. Most of them had grandparents and
aunts/uncles/cousins living in the adjacent border town that was
really the primary settlement when the line was drawn and a (3
string barbed wire) fence was strung. Their parents were
significantly the merchant class in town though some were
professional (doctors, dentists, lawyers) class, there was not a
huge distinction between the two. They preferred to be called
Mexican (maybe Mexican-Americans but they didn't seem to feel the
need for the hyphened, "Mexican" was a point of pride, not
dismissal or slur). They rejected "Latin", "Chicano" or
"Hispanic". <br>
</p>
<p>The Native Americans in both contexts were also small enough in
number that I knew them only as individuals... but the
difference was that their roots were in nearby-ish communities.
While I might have heard people refer to them as "those Indians",
mostly that was not the case. Among the mostly
Navajo/Hopi/Zuni/Apache I knew through that time, I can't say
didn't know a single individual that I didn't both like and call a
friend. In College (Northern AZ, University) I encountered a
number of Native Americans in passing who I didn't know personally
and there *was* a racial bias held by some of the locals (but
nothing I detected from the students who came from elsewhere, at
worse they elevated them as "noble savages" which is it's own
problem). When I am thoughtful enough to use " Dine' " instead
of Navajo or Apache, my Dine' friends seem to appreciate my effort
though I still feel required to hyphenate ("Dine' pause Navajo" or
"Dine pause Apache") because I'm pretty sure they consider
themselves distinct and in fact seem to appreciate it if I
acknowledge *which* Apache band they come from (when I even
know). The only Navajo I've had acknowledge they care to have
called out distinctly, are the Alamo Band. My Tewa friends seem
to appreciate that I know which pueblo they are from, but also
seem to appreciate that I know that they have a strong identity
with the Tewa language culture, as much as the Saints their
villages were named for by the Spanish Catholics (Ildefonso, Juan,
Clara, etc.).<br>
</p>
<p>Half of the people I knew growing up were women. I saw the
gender disparity more than I saw racial/ethnic/cultural/religious
disparity. I didn't like the slight or hidden asymmetry of
"women's" and "men's" roles. But in semi-subsistence cultures (I
believe) where there is not a lot of room for wasted human
potential, men could not afford to treat their women too badly...
they really, really needed them to carry the load they can't.
Though this characterization reflects the asymmetry that was
there. Somehow men *were* presumed to be "primary" and
women/children adjunct/secondary. My parents were not
particularly bad in this way, but there was definitely some
generational assumed "dominance/deference", though it was *very*
common in the subculture I saw for the women to have priority
control over the family finances. They balanced the checkbook and
kept a budget and made sure there were savings to fall back on.
The man may bring home the only or larger paycheck (or proceeds
from farm/livestock sales) but the woman was likely the one to
"keep the books" and execute most of the purchasing decisions.
Virtually all of the girls I went to school with were "cowgirls"
if not "tomboys" and could/did saddle/groom their own horses if
not (in a few cases) shoe and worm them. My mother had a number
of friends who were "ranch widows"... enough younger than their
husbands to inherit a working ranch in their 40's/50's when their
(male-dominant cowboy) husbands died of hard living (tobacco,
exposure to elements, accidents) in their 50's/60's. These ranch
widows ended up running (small) operations with one to a few male
"hands" working for them. They had been working alongside their
husbands (and maybe their fathers before that) and knew what they
were doing, and likely did a share of the outdoor/hard work
themselves, even if they *also* would have my mother in for tea in
a well-kept house. My father did his damnedest to give my sister
as much support and direction as he did me (from my perspective)
but he *did* condescend in ways that I believe blunted her. As he
helped her learn a variety of "men's work" skills, his praise came
down to "you are really good at that.... for a girl". My mother
was pretty capable herself (my grandparents being subsistence
farmers in KY with my grandmother working alongside my grandfather
when she wasn't cooking) but my father was dead set on making sure
my sister was able to change a tire, check her oil, hammer a nail,
mow a lawn, etc. And my mother was dead set on making sure *I*
could cook a meal, do my own laundry, wash dishes, windows, and
floors. I cannot express (though this Mother's day is a good
opportunity) how much I valued that as I came of age and was NOT
seeking a "traditional wife" who would then cook, clean, sew,
offer praise for me.<br>
</p>
<p>I will acknowledge that *one* of the cohort I grew up with (2
years younger) grew up to take his wife and children out of this
world in a murder-suicide presenting the worst face of the "male
dominant" pattern.<br>
</p>
<p>So I was *puzzled* as I encountered the 60's 70's culture wars
that were *entirely legitimate* in the larger world and *did* have
a muted version in my own. It took me a long time to come to
appreciate that the Equal and Civil Right's movements were NOT
"much ado about nothing"... I had more awareness of the gender
equality issues, and when I *saw* the kind of poverty that "people
of color" suffered in urban or ??? areas, I was intellectually
sympathetic to their plight (the American Indian Movement and the
United Farmworker's Movement were more recognizable to me than the
various African American issues, just because of my
familiarity). In my 30s I began to travel to Urban centers
(Boston, Baltimore, DC, NYC, San Francisco, LA, Seattle) where
there *were* a lot more non-White/Hispanics and I saw the kind of
poverty that many (not all) were relegated to, and I knew *of* the
prejudicial circumstances (such as redlining, etc) that lead them
into those situations and I came to realize that while my (often
very poor) friends/neighbors growing up could put any spare
time/effort they had if they were under-employed into a garden or
chopping firewood or patching their adobe walls (none of which
required anything more than manual labor), the urban poor had
virtually *nothing* to do to apply their spare cycles to that was
obviously productive. So what did that leave them to do about
their circumstance besides either "give up" or "act out"? I know
that this is overstating and that plenty of urban poor *do* find a
way to better their circumstances, I guess I just realized (maybe
for the first time) how poverty can be much more soul-crushing
than I knew it to be, and how it *can* lead pretty directly to
addictions and crime.</p>
<p>So am I "woke"? I'd say I did wake up a *little* when I made
that last leap of perspective. The BLM protests of this year and
the *never-ending* stream of police abuses against African
Americans, made me realize that my default around race-equity is
to retreat to what I know (the issues of equity around Native and
Hispanic populations) because I feel mostly impotent to help much
in this problem. My vote for the last 20 years has gone to
progressive causes exclusively and the 20 before that I declined
because I felt incompetent. <br>
</p>
<p>Glen busted me more than once when I've used the phrase
Politically Correct or "PC" with what I believe was *his* strawman
understanding of what I meant. At the time, his admonition was
"what is wrong with calling people what they want to be
called?". I didn't defend myself in that position, because I am
completely fine with calling people what they ask me to call them,
assuming I can figure that out quickly enough to avoid censure.
I don't know that I have ever had anyone confront me with getting
that wrong *for themselves*, but I did encounter plenty of (almost
exclusively White, though usually Female) people (in the 80s
mostly) confront me for "using the wrong name" for someone. I
had the great-good-fun of being "schooled" by people who had
self-appointed to police my language. My "Hispanic" or "Spanish
Descendent" friends from grade school, and my Mexican (or Mexican
American) friends from High School were *never* under *any
circumstances* to be called anything *but* "Latino" (or for a
period Chicano). My Indian (or more aptly
Apache/Zuni/Hopi/Navajo/Tewa) friends were *only* to be called
"Native", "Native American", "Aboriginal" (for a short period), or
"First Peoples" (more rare). My best Native friend (Lakota) is
happy to be called Native but he grew up as an Indian, as a Red
Man, and is proud of both of those (now considered to be slurs),
he's old enough (my age) to have good ears and thick hide. He
knows by context and tone of voice if someone uses either of those
words if they are being rude or dismissive and he knows if they
are not. I tried hard to simply "go with the flow" from the
"Negro" to "Black" or "Colored" to "African American" and "Person
of Color" that has evolved over my lifetime. Best I can tell,
"Negro" is the only term that is fully deprecated and "Black" and
"Colored" both seem a little archaic to me now. For better or
worse I almost never have a need to refer to the fairly few
"African American" friends I have as anything but their names.
Abraham is from Kenya (he's Kenyan, not Black, not Colored, not
African American, not even African, he's Kenyan), Darryl is old
and wise and a fixture in the communities we both run in, and
doesn't need any description other than his name), nobody needs to
know that he is African American who doesn't know it because they
know him... I think it is racist when anyone (including me here)
even bothers to point it out. <br>
</p>
<p>Back in the day, it seemed not to matter if I tried to explain
myself OR shrug it off, the only acceptable response too often was
deferential compliance with a dash of contrition. I tried to be
polite and thoughtful in my responses and every once in a very
long while I would get a different response like, "oh... I never
thought of/knew/realized that..." I never (that I can remember)
accused anyone of being PC or Politically Correct, but I *did*
probably think it often and maybe nod my head in agreement
(gently) if someone else said it. Maybe that made me a
racist/bigoted a$$h0l3 (at least in their minds?). Maybe I
should have found a better way. But I didn't.<br>
</p>
<p>Back to "woke". I have dozens of privileged (White, mostly
female again) friends who are acutely attuned to "being woke" and
when they take it beyond their own personal growth path, it verges
on what I complain about above with PC. I, like my friend, am
old enough and have thick enough hide to know that when they think
they need to correct me on something I do or say, that I can often
recognize when their need to do that is more about their deal than
it is about mine and I can smile and nod politely and put their
"advice" in my hat and spend a little time considering it later.
Every once in a while I feel like I DO learn something that helps
me be more properly empathetic and understanding. I learned all
the detail (about what people want to be called) I describe above
*by* listening and watching AND being told those things. I
probably had to have a dozen of my new "Mexican" friends correct
me when I tried to call them "Spanish Descendants" or Hispanics
before I "got it". I still have to listen closely for nuance as
I try to navigate the pronouns in the QT of LGBTQ and while
haven't been confronted by "getting it wrong" by anyone I do think
I've heard people make a point of repeating what I should have
heard the first time.<br>
</p>
<p>I feel very sorry for those who spew anti-PC/anti-Woke rhetoric
(e.g. Fox/Tucker-Carlson) as if it is a weapon to be wielded. It
seems very self-destructive. In spite of feeling a (mostly)
innocent casualty of the efforts to help the
angry/judgemental/dismissive/prejudiced among us into some level
of awareness that they don't *have to be* angry a$$h0les, I am
glad that energy has been out there, even if some of the most
vocal proponents of it can be people struggling with their own
inner demons and needing to work it all out in public by
angrily/dismissively correcting others who may very well be more
tuned in than they are. I do beieve that my
black/brown/red/yellow/female/queer friends are better off today
than they were 40 years ago, and in particular my daughters enjoy
a MUCH better experience of being women than I believe my mother,
my sister, my partners did in the same phase of life. Glen's
making the point that my very use (in other missives) of "PC" can
be *mistaken for* apologetics for Racist/Bigoted behaviour (my
characterization) , was useful to me. Maybe I'll find out if
I've "got it (more) right" yet.</p>
<p>By the way, I'm pretty used to being called a "Privileged White
(Heteronormative) Male" (as a slur) and I AM trying to take
ownership of that term back, understanding that it includes
actually *taking ownership OF* the privilege that I might have
(partly inherited by whiteness and maleness, but also other things
which might not be as easy to identify on visual inspection).
Where I *am* in fact significantly privileged by those inherited
(or lucked into) characteristics, then what can/should I do with
that privilege? It's a life's study, I'm old but I'm not done
yet. The default, I find, for most of us seems to be roughly
"squander it" if not "wield it roughshod". I'm thankful that
across the generations I am in touch with (down to, but not much
including Millenials), I feel I find many among the "white male
privileged" who are providing *some* good examples of how not to
"squander" or "wield", including a few notable examples here (if
you know who you are, then I'm probably not talking about you
<grin> ). I also (fortunately) have a few women and a few
(under) privileged friends of many stripes who sometimes help me
expand my understanding and empathy with their grace. <br>
</p>
<p><to be continued, never-ending-rant><br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/6/21 2:05 PM,
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Glen, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I was trying to start small . think you
are flat out wrong, by the way: I think the principle that
“You do not get to say who I am” is deeply entrenched in the
principles that 538 listed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I am grateful for the list. Let's work
with it a bit. See below. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Nick Thompson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 1:23 PM<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM]
Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">No, that's not a principle of Wokeism.
It may be a reactionary misunderstanding of what's being said.
(More likely it's an absurdist strawman, intended to help you
*avoid* hearing what's being said.) But if you listen closer,
you might actually hear what's being said. This article does a
pretty good job of listing the drivers:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><a
href="https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-ideas-that-are-reshaping-the-democratic-party-and-america/"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-ideas-that-are-reshaping-the-democratic-party-and-america/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">" 1. The United States has often not
lived up to the ideals of its founders or the notion that it
is an “exceptional” nation that should be a model for other
countries. Because the U.S. has disempowered its Native and
Black populations and women throughout its history, America
has never been a true or full democracy<b><i>[NST===>Agreed.
Furthermore, the myth of exceptionality arises just
because we have had land to expropriate, and native
Americans, African Americans, and immigrants to exploit.
See “These Truths” and “1493”<===nst] </i></b>. <b><i><o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> 2. White people, particularly white
men, are especially advantaged in American society (“white
privilege”).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><i><span style="color:black">[NST===>Agreed<===nst]
</span></i></b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> 3. People of color in America suffer
from not only individualized and overt acts of racism (someone
uses a racial slur, for example) but a broader “systemic” and
“institutional” racism.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><i><span style="color:black">[NST===>Agreed<===nst]
</span></i></b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> 4. Capitalism as currently practiced
in America is deeply flawed, giving way too much money and
power to the wealthy. America’s economy should not be set up
in a way that allows people to accumulate billions of dollars
in wealth.<b><i>[NST===>Yes, but the focus on Billionaires
tends to absolve the millionairs among us (weath, not
salary) from responsibility.<===nst] </i></b> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> 5. Women suffer from systemic
sexism.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><i><span style="color:black">[NST===>
Agreed, but we have to decide if women are different or
not and what to do about it.<===nst] </span></i></b><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> 6. People should be able to identify
as whatever gender they prefer or not to identify by gender at
all.<b><i>[NST===>Really? Are you sure. If there are no
gender roles, than what exactly does gender mean? There
is surely some weird contradiction here. <===nst] </i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> 7. The existence of a disparity —
for example, Black, Latino or women being underrepresented in
a given profession or industry — is evidence of
discrimination, even if no overt acts of discrimination are
visible.<b><i>[NST===>Yes, and a large effort should be
invested in tracking these disparities, and the new ones
that will inevitably arise, and countering them, but see
below …<===nst] </i></b> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> 8. Black Americans deserve
reparations to make up for slavery and post-slavery racial
discrimination.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><i><span style="color:black">[NST===>Absolutely
NOT! We start in the middle, and we start now. We
counter the discrimination that we have right now.
Bugger the sins of our foreparents. <===nst] </span></i></b><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> 9. Law enforcement agencies, from
local police departments to the U.S. Immigration and Customs
Enforcement, are designed to defend America’s status quo as
much as any public safety mission. When they treat people of
color or the poor badly, they are working as they are
designed. So these agencies must be <s>defunded, abolished,
disbanded or at least</s> dramatically changed if the goal
is to improve their treatment of people of color and the poor.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><i><span style="color:black">[NST===>I
am tantalized by the suggestion that the actual Idea of
a modern police force grows out of the “paterollers” of
the South<===nst] </span></i></b><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> 10. Trump’s political rise was not
an aberration or a surprise. Politicians in both parties,
particularly Republicans, have long used racialized language
to demean people of color — Trump was just more direct and
crude about it. And his messages resonated with a lot of
Americans, particularly white people and conservatives,
because lots of Americans have negative views about people of
color, Black people in particular."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><i><span style="color:black">[NST===>Agreed<===nst]
</span></i></b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">On 5/6/21 12:07 PM, <a
href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">thompnickson2@gmail.com</span></a>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> One of the first principles of
Wokery is that I get to say what you <o:p></o:p></p>
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