<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">English has two categories of verbs: intransitive and transitive.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you use an intransitive verb — “yet it moves” — the Metaphor Nazi will catch you coming: claiming you are representing volition.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you use a transitive verb — “it is moved by gravity” — the Metaphor Nazi will catch you going: claiming an agent/patient relation, where the agent is probably (metaphorically) God (!), or whatever God is a metaphor for. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And we have from Ecclesiastes (the verse in praise of the Metaphor Nazi):</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.shakespeare-online.com/sonnets/59.html#:~:text=If there be nothing new (1): Compare Ecclesiastes 1.9,new thing under the sun."" class="">http://www.shakespeare-online.com/sonnets/59.html#:~:text=If%20there%20be%20nothing%20new%20(1)%3A%20Compare%20Ecclesiastes%201.9,new%20thing%20under%20the%20sun.%22</a></div><div class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">Ecclesiastes 1.9: "The thing that hath been is that which shall be; and that which hath been done is that which shall be done; and there is no new thing under the sun."</span></div><div class=""><div><br class=""></div><div>To which the scientist (note small “s”) would like to assert “the language of mechanics is not English; speaking it is a new practice available to people to participate in”.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>But let Shakespeare have the last word:</div><div><br class=""></div><div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class="">If there be nothing new, but that which is</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class="">Hath been before, how are our brains beguil'd,</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class="">Which, labouring for invention, bear amiss</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class="">The second burthen of a former child!</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class="">O, that record could with a backward look,</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class="">Even of five hundred courses of the sun,</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class="">Show me your image in some antique book,</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class="">Since mind at first in character was done!</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class="">That I might see what the old world could say</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class="">To this composed wonder of your frame;</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class="">Whether we are mended, or whe'r better they,</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class="">Or whether revolution be the same.</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class="">O! sure I am, the wits of former days</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class="">To subjects worse have given admiring praise.</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class=""></div><div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class="">Eric</span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 9, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Prof David West <<a href="mailto:profwest@fastmail.fm" class="">profwest@fastmail.fm</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Arial;" class="">The ball accelerated is clearly a metaphor as it implies that the ball is doing a specific thing, that the ball has behavior and probably volition. This is clearly not what you literally mean.<br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Arial;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Arial;" class="">davew<br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Arial;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Arial;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">On Sat, May 8, 2021, at 4:57 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">"The ball accelerated at approximately 32 feet per second squared at sea level in a vacuum."<br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">doesn't seem to be a metaphor to me.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">---<br class=""></div><div class="">Frank C. Wimberly<br class=""></div><div class="">140 Calle Ojo Feliz,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""></div><div class="">Santa Fe, NM 87505<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">505 670-9918<br class=""></div><div class="">Santa Fe, NM<br class=""></div></div></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Sat, May 8, 2021, 3:07 PM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" class="">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="qt-gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; padding-left: 1ex;"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div class="qt-m_-7272196601106796176WordSection1"><p class="qt-MsoNormal">Listen, Fella!<u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal">It’s metaphors all the way down!<u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal">[shoe thrown]<u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal">n<u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal">Nick Thompson<u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class=""><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,76cwsDofsJZfToBxaQU6zR5cllp_k59wtln_iQtSrD8ozjyEN9kt0FPUs4RnuGnWMKFW-nOw3wJjMgAgCJAkSTlh3C3YKbI75yNyUMUvvw,,&typo=1" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class=""><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u><br class=""></p><div style="border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; border-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-image-outset: 0; border-image-repeat: stretch; border-image-slice: 100%; border-image-source: none; border-image-width: 1; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Gary Schiltz<br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, May 8, 2021 1:36 PM<br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">friam@redfish.com</a>><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [FRIAM] Morphogenisis<u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u><br class=""></p><div class=""><p class="qt-MsoNormal">First of all, it's just a metaphor (ducking, the shoe barely missing my head) :-)<u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><div class=""><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u><br class=""></p></div><div class=""><p class="qt-MsoNormal">Second of all, that description of animal development sure sounds to me like "following a script". <u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p></div></div><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u><br class=""></p><div class=""><div class=""><p class="qt-MsoNormal">On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 2:23 PM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p></div><blockquote style="border-color: currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, 204); border-style: none none none solid; border-width: medium medium medium 1pt; border-image-outset: 0; border-image-repeat: stretch; border-image-slice: 100%; border-image-source: none; border-image-width: 1; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="qt-MsoNormal">This struck me:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-m_-7272196601106796176gmail-m-6118501720637267473quotation">When animals develop, they don’t follow a script. Instead, responding to their environment, the cells negotiate and feel their way toward a final form. A fertilized egg divides, and divides again, creating a hollow ball of cells called a blastula; genes instruct these cells to release chemicals, and other cells, reacting to those chemical concentrations, decide to migrate elsewhere or to develop into specific types of tissue. Other influences—oxygen, nutrients, hormones, sometimes toxins—further shape gestation.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/10/persuading-the-body-to-regenerate-its-limbs?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_050821&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd678d924c17c104801f684&cndid=40835928&hasha=1dc6f15a30be2d4712fae5f0e5a9a679&hashb=5e4befc88214fadc869224d7cb34d55f51451bc7&hashc=0c6ef6b7bc8221288e1f4a4ca0116d78a21ebdbe47949488640c7c54c93120fb&esrc=AUTO_PRINT&utm_term=TNY_Daily" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/10/persuading-the-body-to-regenerate-its-limbs?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_050821&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd678d924c17c104801f684&cndid=40835928&hasha=1dc6f15a30be2d4712fae5f0e5a9a679&hashb=5e4befc88214fadc869224d7cb34d55f51451bc7&hashc=0c6ef6b7bc8221288e1f4a4ca0116d78a21ebdbe47949488640c7c54c93120fb&esrc=AUTO_PRINT&utm_term=TNY_Daily</a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal">First, note the reliance on psychological terms. This is the sort of passage that would stimulate my teasing Hywel with, “So you see, Hywel, psychology really IS the mother of all sciences.” And don’t any of you DARE to come back at me with, “It’s just a metaphor.” <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal">Second, which of these two models encapsulates more closely what you wizards mean by computation. Is carrying out an algorithm more like “computation” or is “building a limb”? Is a salamander’s limb “computed”? If so, who computes it, or is that a violation of the language of computation. I know. Fools rush in where wise men fear to tread.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal">Your loyal fool,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal">Nic<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal">Nick Thompson<u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""></p><p class="qt-MsoNormal"><a 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