<div dir="ltr">I just want to go back to Dave's question to define "progress". I think the United Nations' list of Sustainable Development Goal targets and indicators could be a starting point. From wikipedia: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators</a> <div><div><br></div><div><ul style="list-style:none;margin:0.3em 0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.3px"><li class="gmail-toclevel-1 gmail-tocsection-2" style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><ul style="list-style:none;margin:0px 0px 0px 2em;padding:0px"><li class="gmail-toclevel-2 gmail-tocsection-3" style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators#Goal_1._End_poverty_in_all_its_forms_everywhere" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background:none"><span class="gmail-tocnumber" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit;color:rgb(32,33,34);padding-left:0px;padding-right:0.5em">2.1</span><span class="gmail-toctext" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit">Goal 1. End poverty in all its forms everywhere</span></a></li><li class="gmail-toclevel-2 gmail-tocsection-4" style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators#Goal_2._End_hunger,_achieve_food_security_and_improved_nutrition_and_promote_sustainable_agriculture" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background:none"><span class="gmail-tocnumber" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit;color:rgb(32,33,34);padding-left:0px;padding-right:0.5em">2.2</span><span class="gmail-toctext" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit">Goal 2. End hunger, achieve food security and improved nutrition and promote sustainable agriculture</span></a></li><li class="gmail-toclevel-2 gmail-tocsection-5" style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators#Goal_3._Ensure_healthy_lives_and_promote_well-being_for_all_at_all_ages" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background:none"><span class="gmail-tocnumber" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit;color:rgb(32,33,34);padding-left:0px;padding-right:0.5em">2.3</span><span class="gmail-toctext" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit">Goal 3. Ensure healthy lives and promote well-being for all at all ages</span></a></li><li class="gmail-toclevel-2 gmail-tocsection-6" style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators#Goal_4._Ensure_inclusive_and_equitable_quality_education_and_promote_lifelong_learning_opportunities_for_all" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background:none"><span class="gmail-tocnumber" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit;color:rgb(32,33,34);padding-left:0px;padding-right:0.5em">2.4</span><span class="gmail-toctext" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit">Goal 4. Ensure inclusive and equitable quality education and promote lifelong learning opportunities for all</span></a></li><li class="gmail-toclevel-2 gmail-tocsection-7" style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators#Goal_5._Achieve_gender_equality_and_empower_all_women_and_girls" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background:none"><span class="gmail-tocnumber" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit;color:rgb(32,33,34);padding-left:0px;padding-right:0.5em">2.5</span><span class="gmail-toctext" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit">Goal 5. Achieve gender equality and empower all women and girls</span></a></li><li class="gmail-toclevel-2 gmail-tocsection-8" style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators#Goal_6._Ensure_availability_and_sustainable_management_of_water_and_sanitation_for_all" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background:none"><span class="gmail-tocnumber" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit;color:rgb(32,33,34);padding-left:0px;padding-right:0.5em">2.6</span><span class="gmail-toctext" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit">Goal 6. Ensure availability and sustainable management of water and sanitation for all</span></a></li><li class="gmail-toclevel-2 gmail-tocsection-9" style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators#Goal_7._Ensure_access_to_affordable,_reliable,_sustainable_and_modern_energy_for_all" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background:none"><span class="gmail-tocnumber" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit;color:rgb(32,33,34);padding-left:0px;padding-right:0.5em">2.7</span><span class="gmail-toctext" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit">Goal 7. Ensure access to affordable, reliable, sustainable and modern energy for all</span></a></li><li class="gmail-toclevel-2 gmail-tocsection-10" style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators#Goal_8._Promote_sustained,_inclusive_and_sustainable_economic_growth,_full_and_productive_employment_and_decent_work_for_all" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background:none"><span class="gmail-tocnumber" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit;color:rgb(32,33,34);padding-left:0px;padding-right:0.5em">2.8</span><span class="gmail-toctext" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit">Goal 8. Promote sustained, inclusive and sustainable economic growth, full and productive employment and decent work for all</span></a></li><li class="gmail-toclevel-2 gmail-tocsection-11" style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators#Goal_9._Build_resilient_infrastructure,_promote_inclusive_and_sustainable_industrialization_and_foster_innovation" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background:none"><span class="gmail-tocnumber" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit;color:rgb(32,33,34);padding-left:0px;padding-right:0.5em">2.9</span><span class="gmail-toctext" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit">Goal 9. Build resilient infrastructure, promote inclusive and sustainable industrialization and foster innovation</span></a></li><li class="gmail-toclevel-2 gmail-tocsection-12" style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators#Goal_10._Reduce_inequality_within_and_among_countries" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background:none"><span class="gmail-tocnumber" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit;color:rgb(32,33,34);padding-left:0px;padding-right:0.5em">2.10</span><span class="gmail-toctext" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit">Goal 10. Reduce inequality within and among countries</span></a></li><li class="gmail-toclevel-2 gmail-tocsection-13" style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators#Goal_11._Make_cities_and_human_settlements_inclusive,_safe,_resilient_and_sustainable" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background:none"><span class="gmail-tocnumber" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit;color:rgb(32,33,34);padding-left:0px;padding-right:0.5em">2.11</span><span class="gmail-toctext" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit">Goal 11. Make cities and human settlements inclusive, safe, resilient and sustainable</span></a></li><li class="gmail-toclevel-2 gmail-tocsection-14" style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators#Goal_12._Ensure_sustainable_consumption_and_production_patterns" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background:none"><span class="gmail-tocnumber" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit;color:rgb(32,33,34);padding-left:0px;padding-right:0.5em">2.12</span><span class="gmail-toctext" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit">Goal 12. Ensure sustainable consumption and production patterns</span></a></li><li class="gmail-toclevel-2 gmail-tocsection-15" style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators#Goal_13._Take_urgent_action_to_combat_climate_change_and_its_impacts_[n_10]" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background:none"><span class="gmail-tocnumber" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit;color:rgb(32,33,34);padding-left:0px;padding-right:0.5em">2.13</span><span class="gmail-toctext" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit">Goal 13. Take urgent action to combat climate change and its impacts <sup style="line-height:1;font-size:10.64px">[n 10]</sup></span></a></li><li class="gmail-toclevel-2 gmail-tocsection-16" style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators#Goal_14._Conserve_and_sustainably_use_the_oceans,_seas_and_marine_resources_for_sustainable_development" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background:none"><span class="gmail-tocnumber" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit;color:rgb(32,33,34);padding-left:0px;padding-right:0.5em">2.14</span><span class="gmail-toctext" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit">Goal 14. Conserve and sustainably use the oceans, seas and marine resources for sustainable development</span></a></li><li class="gmail-toclevel-2 gmail-tocsection-17" style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators#Goal_15._Protect,_restore_and_promote_sustainable_use_of_terrestrial_ecosystems,_sustainably_manage_forests,_combat_desertification,_and_halt_and_reverse_land_degradation_and_halt_biodiversity_loss" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background:none"><span class="gmail-tocnumber" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit;color:rgb(32,33,34);padding-left:0px;padding-right:0.5em">2.15</span><span class="gmail-toctext" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit">Goal 15. Protect, restore and promote sustainable use of terrestrial ecosystems, sustainably manage forests, combat desertification, and halt and reverse land degradation and halt biodiversity loss</span></a></li><li class="gmail-toclevel-2 gmail-tocsection-18" style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators#Goal_16._Promote_peaceful_and_inclusive_societies_for_sustainable_development,_provide_access_to_justice_for_all_and_build_effective,_accountable_and_inclusive_institutions_at_all_levels" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background:none"><span class="gmail-tocnumber" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit;color:rgb(32,33,34);padding-left:0px;padding-right:0.5em">2.16</span><span class="gmail-toctext" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit">Goal 16. Promote peaceful and inclusive societies for sustainable development, provide access to justice for all and build effective, accountable and inclusive institutions at all levels</span></a></li><li class="gmail-toclevel-2 gmail-tocsection-19" style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators#Goal_17._Strengthen_the_means_of_implementation_and_revitalize_the_Global_Partnership_for_Sustainable_Development" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background:none"><span class="gmail-tocnumber" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit;color:rgb(32,33,34);padding-left:0px;padding-right:0.5em">2.17</span><span class="gmail-toctext" style="display:table-cell;text-decoration:inherit">Goal 17. Strengthen the means of implementation and revitalize the Global Partnership for Sustainable Development</span></a></li></ul></li><li class="gmail-toclevel-1 gmail-tocsection-20" style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators#Repeat_Indicators" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background:none"></a></li></ul><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sustainable_Development_Goal_targets_and_indicators#Repeat_Indicators" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(6,69,173);background:none"><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></a></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 20:23, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com">gepropella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Yeah, OK. I agree. As with the FinTech payment plan band-aid I posted, our nudges can, at least, demonstrate some good faith attempts to "do good". But I'd like it better if we were more aggressive in our attempts ... aim high so that when you inevitably fail, you'll end up slightly higher than you would've if you'd aimed low. But I doubt focusing on profitability is the way to aim high. The space of profitable enterprises is *heavily* biased to the low hanging fruit. As Eric pointed out awhile back, the majority of high impact innovation is launched via non-profit efforts. In that perspective, profit limits high impact innovation by diverting resources to low impact innovation.<br>
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On 5/26/21 8:59 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>
> To clarify, by "remediate" I mean that some consequences are created (e.g. a pandemic, harm to the biosphere), and then there is a problem to solve.    Pfizer is a remediator.  <br>
> Ford is a potential remediator with the F-150 lightening, solar panel manufacturers are remediators, Impossible Burger is a remediator, etc.  Yes, I recognize some will debate whether some of these are really remediators.   Nothing short of sitting around watching fungus grow will satisfy these people.     <br>
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