<div dir="ltr">Agreed, Google is a company, not a government and I support that they should have the legal right to censor you. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 17:00, Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 18, 2021 5:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry people, the video I have referred to in the first post has been censored, so you can't see it. Big Brother has spoken.<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_NNTVJzqtY" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_NNTVJzqtY</a> <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 07:18, Pieter Steenekamp <<a href="mailto:pieters@randcontrols.co.za" target="_blank">pieters@randcontrols.co.za</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://c19ivermectin.com/" target="_blank">https://c19ivermectin.com/</a><br>
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85% improvement in 14 prophylaxis trials RR 0.15 (0.09-0.25) when using Ivermectin for Covid-19<u></u><u></u></p>
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They link to a database of all ivermectin Covid-19 studies. They claim 60 trials, 549 scientists, 18931 patients, 31 randomised controlled trials.<br>
It's going to take reasonable amount of time and effort to verify their results<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 at 17:18, Pieter Steenekamp <<a href="mailto:pieters@randcontrols.co.za" target="_blank">pieters@randcontrols.co.za</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks a lot for the references Glen; this seems valuable information. I'll study it carefully and then comment on it.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 at 16:48, u\u01ddl\u0183 <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif">
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Therapeutics and COVID-19: living guideline<br>
<a href="https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-2019-nCoV-therapeutics-2021.1" target="_blank">https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-2019-nCoV-therapeutics-2021.1</a><br>
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On 6/17/21 7:44 AM, u\u01ddl\u0183 <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif">\u2624</span>>$ wrote:<br>
> Excellent! Stripped of the kvetching about "censorship" and "darkhorse podcast" nonsense, you're getting closer to a testable hypothesis. I encourage you to take a look at some of the clinical trials for the alternatives you're talking about. E.g.
<a href="https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=Covid19&term=ivermectin&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=" target="_blank">
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=Covid19&term=ivermectin&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=</a><br>
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> You'll notice that they (try to) list *several* outcomes. That you have some calculus that shows how those outcomes aggregate to be "in total better than getting vaccinated" is a *strong* claim. You've provided no evidence whatsoever. What is your calculus
for comparing the regimens? You won't be able to provide that evidence UNTIL you're more specific and concrete about which outcomes you hold most prominent.<br>
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> You also need to be specific about the circumstances. E.g. in the ivermectin case, what *cocktail* of treatments did you include alongside ivermectin? In one study, they're using ivermectin, hydroxychloraquine, favipiravir, and azithromycin. Are the benefits
and/or adverse effects linearly decomposable from the cocktail? Perhaps your doctor doesn't have access to 1 or more of the ingredients. How might that affect the outcomes?<br>
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> These are all excellent questions and I laud you for launching into the effort of justifying those regimens over the vaccine. I welcome that evidence.<br>
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> Obviously, where the vaccine is unavailable but one or more of the reasonably justified alternatives is available, it's a no-brainer. Do what your doctor tells you to do. But where the vaccine is free and easy, the alternative therapies have a high bar to
jump. And I'm glad you're willing to tell us which of those therapies are "in total better". I'm anxious to hear about them.<br>
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> On 6/16/21 8:07 PM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote:<br>
>> The next point is that there is evidence of alternative measures against the virus that are in total better than getting vaccinated.
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