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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=quotation>until Musk started being convincing (to me) that he might get a modest number of humans TO Mars in his (and my?) lifetime.<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Rocket rich guys to Mars, fight a war against… (North Korea, Iran, Russia, even China), ANYTHING to avoid paying a living wage on earth. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>N<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Nick Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Prof David West<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 7, 2021 9:49 AM<br><b>To:</b> friam@redfish.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Highly recommend John Brunner's <i>The Sheep Look Up</i> for fans of ecological disaster.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>davew<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:28 PM, Steve Smith wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id=qt><p>... unbending the psychonaut thread<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>And something will have to power the artificial magnetosphere after the teraforming..<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p>... as I understand it, Mars lost it's magnetosphere a (long) while back and nobody knows why (with the atmosphere and liquid water following, blown off into space by the solar wind). <o:p></o:p></p><p>I think we should just wait another millisecond in our exponential technological growth curve and build a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olaf_Stapledon">Stapledon Sphere</a> (more commonly referenced as a Dyson Sphere) instead. Stapledon's Golden Age era <i><u>First and Last Men</u></i> presaged both terraforming and genetic engineering . <o:p></o:p></p><p>Jack Williamson (whose horn I toot here often), another Golden Age author, wrote (in modernish times - 2001) the novel Terraforming Earth (he died at 98 in 2006). A good friend of mine (who introduced us) met Jack when he (my friend) was a pre-teen and kept in touch for the next 50+ years, gave him the title "Terraforming Terra" which Jack really liked but they both were ultimately overruled by his publisher. <i>Terraforming Terra </i>is much more poetic than <i>Terraforming Earth</i>, no?<o:p></o:p></p><p>(speaking of Terraforming... Mars) I held off reading Kim Stanley Robinson's Red/Green/Blue Mars trilogy (ca early 90s) until Musk started being convincing (to me) that he might get a modest number of humans TO Mars in his (and my?) lifetime. I'm still an ffFFFing luddite about these things, but I also see an inevitable arc here. Robinson did a good job (I thought) of characterizing the sociopoliticalspiritual implications of all this. I forget how he solved the magnetosphere problem (or powered it).<o:p></o:p></p><p>For anyone who thinks there are endogenous existential threats afoot (e.g. climate change) and also appreciates speculative fiction, I highly recommend Robinson's <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50998056-the-ministry-for-the-future">Ministry-for-the-Future</a> written/published before COVID but not by much. While it doesn't exhaustively discuss every sociopoliticaleconomictechnical response to a tumbled gyro of our noo-bio-cryo-sphere of a planet, it covers a lot very convincingly. I don't suggest any of his maunderings will come true or even have more than passing resemblance to the future we are stumbling into in the next few decades, but it was satisfying to read someone who has clearly researched the hell out of the stuff coming at us like a swarm of bugs hitting our windshield (while we proudly outdrive our headlights).<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Aug 6, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Steve Smith <a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com"><sasmyth@swcp.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> Marcus Daniels wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Don't forget about Mars!<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p>LANL physicist Steve Howe was a proponent of <a href="https://www.lanl.gov/science/NSS/issue1_2011/story4full.shtml">plowsharing Rover</a> into a nuclear rocket for Mars with the argument that the radiation exposure to astronauts by the drive was less than the extra time spent outside the earth's magnetic field (charged-particle shield) in the cosmic/solar radiation flux.<o:p></o:p></p><p>He went on to promoting antimatter (anti-protons) instead:<o:p></o:p></p><p> <a href="https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2020/06/steven-howe-breakthroughs-for-antimatter-production-and-storage.html">https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2020/06/steven-howe-breakthroughs-for-antimatter-production-and-storage.html</a><o:p></o:p></p><p>Oh yeh, and he's the first person I know to have self-published (science) fiction through Amazon (before Doug Roberts even). <o:p></o:p></p><p>He used to carry a briefcase full of copies on his work-travels to sell on the plane and/or restock the rack at the ABQ Sunport. I Just checked his Amazon page and it seems he's continued to riff:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/entity/author/B005L9MAL2?_encoding=UTF8&node=283155&offset=0&pageSize=12&searchAlias=stripbooks&sort=author-sidecar-rank&page=1&langFilter=default#formatSelectorHeader">Steven-Howe</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p>His first book exposes his techno-libertarian tendencies. I just learned of the sequel(s).<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: Friam <a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 8:24 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><friam@redfish.com></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] for our psychonauts<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Reminds me of that period in which people were desperately looking for something to do with nuclear explosives other than kill one another. Like: "Let's blow a new hole in the Isthmus of Panama!" Project Plowshares, it was called. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Nick Thompson<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: Friam <a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 10:57 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: FriAM <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><friam@redfish.com></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: [FRIAM] for our psychonauts<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>What Should We Make Of Sasha Chapin's Claim That Taking LSD Restored His Sense Of Smell After COVID?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/what-should-we-make-of-sasha-chapins">https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/what-should-we-make-of-sasha-chapins</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I haven't read it, yet. I'm hoping posting it here will remind me to actually read it.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>--<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif'>☤</span>>$ uǝlƃ<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. .<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>archives: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/">http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. .<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>archives: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/">http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. .<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>un/subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>archives: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/">http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal>- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. .<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>un/subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>archives: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/">http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><pre>- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. .<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>un/subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>archives: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/">http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal>- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. .<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 <a href="http://bit.ly/virtualfriam">bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>un/subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>archives: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/">http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>