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<p class="quotation">until Musk started being convincing (to me)
that he might get a modest number of humans TO Mars in his
(and my?) lifetime.<span
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rocket rich guys to Mars, fight a war
against… (North Korea, Iran, Russia, even China), ANYTHING to
avoid paying a living wage on earth. </p>
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<p>And what about "paying a living wage" does not simply continue an
oppressive system of "wage slavery"? <br>
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<p> There are stories that suggest the people who built the pyramids
(the ones who cut/hauled/placed the stones) were not literally
slaves (chains, whips, severe privation, chattel, threat of death,
etc) but rather a "fully utilized skilled labor class with
sufficient resources provided for a comfortable happy life". But
it is not like they had any upward mobility or alternative
livelihood (Exodus notwithstanding).<br>
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<p>Anyone who has ever survived a "company town" knows that even if
most have modest houses, new vehicles, large screen TVs, and lots
of tasty food and drink and the hope of a gold watch and an RV to
snowbird in at retirement, that such dreams either are false
utopias or at least come to an end for the next generation or so.</p>
<p>I don't endorse Mars Colonization nor continued/enhanced
wage-slavery at-poverty-level, and as a minimal "good start" I do
endorse "living wage". But I don't believe it does anything more
than nudge the boundaries of poverty far enough to keep those
previously below the poverty line from "eating the rich" (which
*most* if not all of us actually represent here)... some of us
are more well marbled than others.</p>
<p>Whether I like it or not, I'm pretty sure that Musk, the royalty
of the Emirates, China and gawdess knows who else will continue to
angle to colonize Mars. For me, it makes for a good enough
opportunity for the thought experiments around what it means to
start fresh with a few lessons learned. Of course, we may soon
use up the earthlike planets in our solar system and have to wait
a few generations to start Amurika-forming similar planets in
other systems (assuming we don't extinguish ourselves/one-another
first).</p>
<p>Or alternatively: "It's Complicated..."</p>
<p>SAS<br>
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David West<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 7, 2021 9:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies,
exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Highly
recommend John Brunner's <i>The Sheep Look Up</i> for
fans of ecological disaster.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:28 PM, Steve
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<p>... unbending the psychonaut thread<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And something will have to power the
artificial magnetosphere after the teraforming..<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>... as I understand it, Mars lost it's magnetosphere a
(long) while back and nobody knows why (with the atmosphere
and liquid water following, blown off into space by the
solar wind). <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I think we should just wait another millisecond in our
exponential technological growth curve and build a <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olaf_Stapledon"
moz-do-not-send="true">Stapledon Sphere</a> (more commonly
referenced as a Dyson Sphere) instead. Stapledon's Golden
Age era <i><u>First and Last Men</u></i> presaged both
terraforming and genetic engineering . <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Jack Williamson (whose horn I toot here often), another
Golden Age author, wrote (in modernish times - 2001) the
novel Terraforming Earth (he died at 98 in 2006). A good
friend of mine (who introduced us) met Jack when he (my
friend) was a pre-teen and kept in touch for the next 50+
years, gave him the title "Terraforming Terra" which Jack
really liked but they both were ultimately overruled by his
publisher. <i>Terraforming Terra </i>is much more poetic
than <i>Terraforming Earth</i>, no?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>(speaking of Terraforming... Mars) I held off reading Kim
Stanley Robinson's Red/Green/Blue Mars trilogy (ca early
90s) until Musk started being convincing (to me) that he
might get a modest number of humans TO Mars in his (and my?)
lifetime. I'm still an ffFFFing luddite about these things,
but I also see an inevitable arc here. Robinson did a good
job (I thought) of characterizing the
sociopoliticalspiritual implications of all this. I forget
how he solved the magnetosphere problem (or powered it).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>For anyone who thinks there are endogenous existential
threats afoot (e.g. climate change) and also appreciates
speculative fiction, I highly recommend Robinson's <a
href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50998056-the-ministry-for-the-future"
moz-do-not-send="true">Ministry-for-the-Future</a>
written/published before COVID but not by much. While it
doesn't exhaustively discuss every
sociopoliticaleconomictechnical response to a tumbled gyro
of our noo-bio-cryo-sphere of a planet, it covers a lot very
convincingly. I don't suggest any of his maunderings will
come true or even have more than passing resemblance to the
future we are stumbling into in the next few decades, but it
was satisfying to read someone who has clearly researched
the hell out of the stuff coming at us like a swarm of bugs
hitting our windshield (while we proudly outdrive our
headlights).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Aug 6, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Steve
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<p>LANL physicist Steve Howe was a proponent of <a
href="https://www.lanl.gov/science/NSS/issue1_2011/story4full.shtml"
moz-do-not-send="true">plowsharing Rover</a> into a
nuclear rocket for Mars with the argument that the
radiation exposure to astronauts by the drive was less
than the extra time spent outside the earth's magnetic
field (charged-particle shield) in the cosmic/solar
radiation flux.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>He went on to promoting antimatter (anti-protons)
instead:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <a
href="https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2020/06/steven-howe-breakthroughs-for-antimatter-production-and-storage.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2020/06/steven-howe-breakthroughs-for-antimatter-production-and-storage.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Oh yeh, and he's the first person I know to have
self-published (science) fiction through Amazon
(before Doug Roberts even). <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>He used to carry a briefcase full of copies on his
work-travels to sell on the plane and/or restock the
rack at the ABQ Sunport. I Just checked his Amazon
page and it seems he's continued to riff:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><a
href="https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/entity/author/B005L9MAL2?_encoding=UTF8&node=283155&offset=0&pageSize=12&searchAlias=stripbooks&sort=author-sidecar-rank&page=1&langFilter=default#formatSelectorHeader"
moz-do-not-send="true">Steven-Howe</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>His first book exposes his techno-libertarian
tendencies. I just learned of the sequel(s).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] for our psychonauts<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Reminds me of that period in which people were desperately looking for something to do with nuclear explosives other than kill one another. Like: "Let's blow a new hole in the Isthmus of Panama!" Project Plowshares, it was called. <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>What Should We Make Of Sasha Chapin's Claim That Taking LSD Restored His Sense Of Smell After COVID?<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>I haven't read it, yet. I'm hoping posting it here will remind me to actually read it.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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