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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>And vampire bats. It’s called social capitol. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>n<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Nick Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Eric Smith<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 3, 2021 10:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I am amazed that the total extraction is only 85,000 tons/year now. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If all vehicular transportation does go Li or Li-ion battery-based, we really should be planning for all this to be integrated with demand-buffering of the grid. No reason to build a completely separate parallel buffer bank using more Li while cars sit with batteries holding charge as if it were gasoline, waiting for the next drive. People will balk because this kind of cooperative paradigm is something they are programmed to reject anywhere they notice it. But it has enabled the eusocial insects to survive for a lot longer than humans have, so we should assume it will be necessary and adopt as another project how to get people used to that fact.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Eric<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sep 4, 2021, at 12:25 AM, Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>For now there is the Salton Sea.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.autoweek.com%2fnews%2fgreen-cars%2fa37029490%2fgm-will-suck-lithium-from-the-salton-sea-to-make-batteries%2f&c=E,1,09ICsA87ufw9vrQ2UUuV7CW-heRl96mRYkoPNPZDWM8ERlvr1h-YgbcKJgGyKXqEH-ipvKyFdaAlpoyA6xSNArBHUFSMIJ7cNpTMOOO6xaSjO6o,&typo=1"><span style='color:#0563C1'>GM Will Suck Lithium >From the Salton Sea to Make Batteries (autoweek.com)</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Jon Zingale<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Friday, September 3, 2021 8:05 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>friam@redfish.com</span></a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Now that Afghanistan is prepped to be the Democratic Republic of Congo 2.0 (this time lithium rather than coltan), I suspect that the world is poised for a whole new liberal dilemma:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333'>1. Continue to support an oil industry largely responsible for rapid climate collapse.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333'>2. 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