<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I am amazed that the total extraction is only 85,000 tons/year now. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If all vehicular transportation does go Li or Li-ion battery-based, we really should be planning for all this to be integrated with demand-buffering of the grid. No reason to build a completely separate parallel buffer bank using more Li while cars sit with batteries holding charge as if it were gasoline, waiting for the next drive. People will balk because this kind of cooperative paradigm is something they are programmed to reject anywhere they notice it. But it has enabled the eusocial insects to survive for a lot longer than humans have, so we should assume it will be necessary and adopt as another project how to get people used to that fact.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Eric</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 4, 2021, at 12:25 AM, Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" class="">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">For now there is the Salton Sea.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.autoweek.com%2fnews%2fgreen-cars%2fa37029490%2fgm-will-suck-lithium-from-the-salton-sea-to-make-batteries%2f&c=E,1,09ICsA87ufw9vrQ2UUuV7CW-heRl96mRYkoPNPZDWM8ERlvr1h-YgbcKJgGyKXqEH-ipvKyFdaAlpoyA6xSNArBHUFSMIJ7cNpTMOOO6xaSjO6o,&typo=1" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">GM Will Suck Lithium From the Salton Sea to Make Batteries (autoweek.com)</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jon Zingale<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, September 3, 2021 8:05 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">friam@redfish.com</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class="">Now that Afghanistan is prepped to be the Democratic Republic of Congo 2.0 (this time lithium rather than coltan), I suspect that the world is poised for a whole new liberal dilemma:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class="">1. Continue to support an oil industry largely responsible for rapid climate collapse.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class="">2. 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