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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Nobody ever aborted a baby with down’s syndrome. What they aborted, if they aborted anything, is a baby which, if carried to term would be highly likely to display downs syndrome. I know I am being pedantic, but ’t's just the sort of confusion that the “genfur” idea leads one into. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>n<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Nick Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Frank Wimberly<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 9, 2021 8:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Did you read the article about aborting babies with Down Syndrome?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Sep 9, 2021, 6:00 PM <span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif'>⛧</span> glen <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com">gepropella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Apples can be red. ... Wait what? What were we talking about? "I have no idea what's goin' on."<br><br>On September 9, 2021 4:54:42 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br>>Puppies are adorable.<br>><br>>From: Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly<br>>Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 4:33 PM<br>>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur<br>><br>>Down's babies are adorable.<br>>---<br>>Frank C. Wimberly<br>>140 Calle Ojo Feliz,<br>>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br>><br>>505 670-9918<br>>Santa Fe, NM<br>><br>>On Thu, Sep 9, 2021, 3:32 PM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>> wrote:<br>>Or they are reprogramming their people to be smarter!<br>>(Actually, deCODE is owned by Amgen now.)<br>><br>>Selection is already occurring, so it isn't as if this is some sci-fi thing.<br>><br>><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/the-last-children-of-down-syndrome/616928/" target="_blank">https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/the-last-children-of-down-syndrome/616928/</a><br>>-----Original Message-----<br>>From: Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>> On Behalf Of David Eric Smith<br>>Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 2:12 PM<br>>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>>><br>>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur<br>><br>>Aha! This is why Iceland has the highest per-capita fraction of published authors in the world. I had assumed it was the weather….<br>><br>>> On Sep 10, 2021, at 2:17 AM, Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> That can be screened as well with a large population-wide survey such has been done in the UK or Iceland.<br>>> Of course, it is unlikely that complex behaviors will be governed by isolated mutations, so the task is to look for highly predictive motifs (e.g. regular expressions).<br>>><br>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>> From: Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$<br>>> Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 10:12 AM<br>>> To: <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur<br>>><br>>> Ha! Now you're trolling. The answer is: "because the sites that generate reading ability (or whatever) *also* generate other 'abilities'", with "abilities" in scare quotes because many abilities are considered bad ... like the ability of a pimply faced white dude to shoot up a church or blow up a federal building.<br>>><br>>> In addition to polyphenism, there's robustness. If more than 1 site generates the same functional ability (reading), then do we write them all? ... just one of them? ... a probabilistically predictive handful of them?<br>>><br>>> On 9/9/21 10:00 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>>>> So find the sites that correspond to reading ability, or whatever, and WRITE them.<br>>>><br>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>>> From: Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$<br>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 9:51 AM<br>>>> To: <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>>>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur<br>>>><br>>>> I was alerted to this article this morning:<br>>>><br>>>> Can Progressives Be Convinced That Genetics Matters?<br>>>> <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-con" target="_blank">https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-con</a><br>>>> v<br>>>> inced-that-genetics-matters<br>>>><br>>>> It should delight those amongst us who rant about the "woke". 8^D But it dovetails nicely with the fraught concept of equality in the other thread.<br>>>><br>>>> Coincidentally, also on 9/6, the BIAPT announced their early career prize winner Emily McTernan:<br>>>> <a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.associationfo" target="_blank">https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.associationfo</a><br>>>> <a href="http://rpoliticalthought.ac.uk" target="_blank">rpoliticalthought.ac.uk</a><<a href="http://rpoliticalthought.ac.uk" target="_blank">http://rpoliticalthought.ac.uk</a>>%2fbiapt-2021-early-care&c=E,1,Je9MVNdO8lpJQOd<br>>>> 6fZwUNe-4z5yuFq0upxNIzMBFjmLFh_h5a63ueVVpd8lkEdWeUx5Xx1RaoPg3T5Ph8YlG<br>>>> 0558qqHLZD8-DKeBPEC3YYM,&typo=1<br>>>> er-prize-winner-dr-emily-mcternan/<br>>>><br>>>> "In her forthcoming monograph, Dr McTernan develops her work on social equality further, to advance a pioneering conceptual account – and robust normative defence – of the phenomenon of ‘taking offence’. Therein, McTernan contends, we should understand taking offence, under appropriate conditions, as a civic virtue rather than a vice, as an emotion that embodies the resistance of social inequalities within a community."<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On 9/8/21 8:06 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>>>>> From about a cancer rate of 10% (without mutation) to 50% (with) but it depends on the BRCA variant.<br>>>>><br>>>>> <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_ca" target="_blank">https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_ca</a><br>>>>> n<br>>>>> c<br>>>>> er.htm<br>>>>> <<a href="https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_c" target="_blank">https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_c</a><br>>>>> a<br>>>>> n<br>>>>> cer.htm><br>>>>><br>>>>>> On Sep 8, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Frank Wimberly <<a href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com" target="_blank">wimberly3@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com" target="_blank">wimberly3@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Is the Braca gene that little correlated with breast cancer?<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> ---<br>>>>>> Frank C. Wimberly<br>>>>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,<br>>>>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> 505 670-9918<br>>>>>> Santa Fe, NM<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 4:57 PM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Yeah, it is hard to get excited about “unusual” variance. Modern<br>>>>>> classification algorithms like gradient boosting make it possible<br>>>>>> to predict phenotypes, and to me that is a lot more interesting<br>>>>>> (and still possible to deconstruct).____<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> __ __<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> *From:* Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>>> *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles<br>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 8, 2021 3:53 PM<br>>>>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>>>><br>>>>>> *Subject:* [FRIAM] gen'fur____<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> __ __<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Gen'fur this, gen'fur that... and also the realities of biological complexity....<br>>>>>> ____<br>>><br>>><br>>> --<br>>> <span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif'>☤</span>>$ <br>-- <br>glen <span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif'>⛧</span><br><br>- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. .<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 <a href="http://bit.ly/virtualfriam" target="_blank">bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br>un/subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com" target="_blank">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><br>archives: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/" target="_blank">http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>