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<div style="font-family:sans-serif"><div style="white-space:normal"><p dir="auto">When I was (much) younger, I tended strongly to the nurture side of the nature vs nurture divide.</p>
<p dir="auto">My wife and I raised four kids, two from her previous marriage, one that we are responsible for, and one biracial adopted son. So, four kids, three fathers, and two mothers. It did not take long to see that the nature side has a lot going for it. It was amazing how much of their personalities was there at age two, and how different they all were,</p>
<p dir="auto">But then\u2026 my wife and I agree that raising our adopted son was the hardest thing we did. He had a lot going against him \u2014 fetal alcohol syndrome (probably), some learning disabilities, and having to sort out race questions in our weird society. His birth certificate says he is black, and he looks mostly white, and he didn\u2019t really sort out where he fit in until he went into the navy. School was a disaster, and yet with help from very good drug counselors and AA, he pulled himself together in his twenties. His fiftieth birthday is next month, and he has been sober and productive for a long time, and his common sense is as good or better than his siblings. He runs his own moving business in Seattle. His three sisters all have advanced degrees and interesting careers, but I think that I am most proud of how our son pulled his life together.</p>
<p dir="auto">So yes. Nature is definitely important and can\u2019t be ignored. But nurture can, with hard work and a generous portion of luck, overcome what seems might seem as inevitable. It\u2019s complicated, really.</p>
<p dir="auto">\u2014Barry</p>
<br><p dir="auto">On 9 Sep 2021, at 12:50, u\u01ddl\u0183 \u2624>$ wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px"><p dir="auto">I was alerted to this article this morning:<br>
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Can Progressives Be Convinced That Genetics Matters?<br>
<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-convinced-that-genetics-matters" style="color:#777">https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-convinced-that-genetics-matters</a><br>
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It should delight those amongst us who rant about the "woke". 8^D But it dovetails nicely with the fraught concept of equality in the other thread.<br>
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Coincidentally, also on 9/6, the BIAPT announced their early career prize winner Emily McTernan:<br>
<a href="https://www.associationforpoliticalthought.ac.uk/biapt-2021-early-career-prize-winner-dr-emily-mcternan/" style="color:#777">https://www.associationforpoliticalthought.ac.uk/biapt-2021-early-career-prize-winner-dr-emily-mcternan/</a><br>
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"In her forthcoming monograph, Dr McTernan develops her work on social equality further, to advance a pioneering conceptual account \u2013 and robust normative defence \u2013 of the phenomenon of \u2018taking offence\u2019. Therein, McTernan contends, we should understand taking offence, under appropriate conditions, as a civic virtue rather than a vice, as an emotion that embodies the resistance of social inequalities within a community."<br>
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On 9/8/21 8:06 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#999; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#999"><p dir="auto">From about a cancer rate of 10% (without mutation) to 50% (with) but it depends on the BRCA variant.<br>
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<a href="https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm" style="color:#999">https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm</a> <<a href="https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm" style="color:#999">https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm</a>><br>
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<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto">On Sep 8, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
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Is the Braca gene that little correlated with breast cancer?<br>
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Frank C. Wimberly<br>
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,<br>
Santa Fe, NM 87505<br>
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505 670-9918<br>
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On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 4:57 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus@snoutfarm.com <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" style="color:#BBB">mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Yeah, it is hard to get excited about \u201cunusual\u201d variance. Modern classification algorithms like gradient boosting make it possible to predict phenotypes, and to me that is a lot more interesting (and still possible to deconstruct).____<br>
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Gen'fur this, gen'fur that... and also the realities of biological complexity.... <br>
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