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<p class="MsoNormal">I think the Flow TD-NIRS system is like $50k for now, but it isn’t really buyable yet. The Flux magnetometer system would be in the millions, I think. Nothing beats implanted wires!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Steve Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 15, 2021 6:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> friam@redfish.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9/14/21 6:01 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Yeh, like that... plenty of what looks like slick pre-release hype-by-allusion, yet undeniably evidence that the development in this area is in a virtuous feedback loop. A quick gander didn't present me with any numbers but the gear looks pretty pricey...
probably the stuff of a future motorcycle/bicycle/climbing helmet to upload your brain as you go into a skid/fall/tumble!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:40 PM, Steve Smith
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<pre>Ha! Well, not for me. I'm a technophile. Even more important than drug-induced experiences are those induced by other technologies like transcranial magnetic stimulation, which I don't regard as fundamentally different from connectivity drugs. Implants would be even better for interacting with that hairball of [intero|proprio]ceptive feedback loops that compose consciousness as well as pain.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p>I've been dabbling with transcutaneous electro neural stim and electro muscular stim (TENS/EMS) primarily for pain and rehab (Mary's recent back/leg pain/dysfunction), trying to work it into the VR/AR simulacral artifacts I already fiddle with in Visual/Aural/CheapHaptics.
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<p>The accessibility of VR/AR gear (HUD/HMD/GPU/CPU) has already overshot my wildest dreams of a couple of decades ago I fiddled with EEG pickups 20 years ago but it was too early or at least there was a metaphorical impedance mismatch of sorts. I've NOT
dabbled with transcranial magnetic stimulation... I don't even know if it is accessible. I am curious (guardedly hopeful) that these things are maturing at a pop/commercial level faster/better than at the professional level. There may well be a crowd-sourced
ensemble exploration underway right now.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Regarding your <i>muscaria/fly agaric</i> aspirations, I'm hearing something more like homeopathy or law-of-similars since the "fly" in
<i>fly agaric</i> comes from etymologically the habit of using it to poison flies by infusing it in milk to attract flies. Maybe this is entirely a tangent (most of my observations here *are* tangents?).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>So, I'll leave the sweat lodges and eating of wiggling things to more adventurous types like you. But the drugs need not be orally administered. I've always wanted to try to fly by painting myself with muscaria.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>On 9/14/21 11:03 AM, Prof David West wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Glen: /Were I fully liberated, I'd be doing a lot more, and a lot more diverse, drugs than I do./<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Diversity of *_/experiences/_*, not just drugs!!<o:p></o:p></pre>
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