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<p>EricS -<br>
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<div class="">2. Before commenting on resolutions, maybe a comment
more to clarify the experience of the problem. The use of some
of these words in the various posts leads to a reading
experience for me that is like garden path sentences. So it is
not so simple as “defining” a term. It is that the semantic
work the usage of a certain term does in someone’s mind
percolates down to lots of levels in the forming and the reading
of text. <br>
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I appreciate what I presume might be a Borges reference and my own
apprehension (expressed quite lamely in my last post/response) of
these things as "fields of meaning" which may or may not be
continuous/differentiable if even ultimately defined over metric
spaces.<br>
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<div class="">3, Often, there are cadences in your use of the term
function that feel familiar to me from evolutionists, whose use
of it also is a garden-path sentence for me. So for that I know
you are at most partly idiosyncratic, or that the behaviorist
conventions are only partly distinctive. Some of this goes back
a level in generality and community. Since the evolutionists
don’t use the word “goal” the way you do, the things in that
that seem strange to me are more particular to this discourse.</div>
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<p>This description bumbles me over from Borges "Garden of Forking
Paths" to "the Library of Babel".</p>
<p>Of course, you may only be using "Garden Path" in the more
vernacular sense of being "lead astray" or "wandering amongst
constraints imposed by the garden designer but mostly occult to
the wanderer". Or something else entirely?<br>
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<div class="">4a. I happen to feel like this is something I run
into in the “beyond fitness” exercise. So in being concrete I
can allow others to tell me how I am misunderstanding everything
they say. I experience the evolutionists as thinking about
things like sporophytes, gametophytes, spores, gametes, etc. —
the various objects in the lifecycle of ferns — as epiphenomena
of the fitnesses of units of selection. As for Plato, the Unit
of Selection, and its Fitness, are the true Forms, and all those
objects and transitions are just shadows on the cave wall. The
“no epiphenomena” is for me the pushback that says: No, start
with the things that are there and do stuff; whether it fits the
frame you want to put on it (Glen’s pre-emptive registration)
can come later, or not at all, as appropriate. Of course for
the narrow cases I treat it is easy, like Godel’s demonstration
of the limitations of arithmetic was easy because explicit
constructions can be made: that the Platonic Form of fitness and
the unit of selection to which they wish to make everything else
epiphenomenal can be shown to exclude quite concrete and
specific things that are included if one starts with just what
happens and constructs, to find that other registrations are
consistent while the fitness and the unit of selection are not.
I know this is not germane to the topic you were discussing,
but I cannot help have it as part of the experience set that
parses styles of speaking.</div>
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<p>To the extent I *think* (hope?) I parsed this paragraph
correctly, it feels like it gets to the root of our (collectively
mutual) confusion over epi/phenomena and exposes a complement of
meta/object distinctions?</p>
<p>The rest of your treatment of the larger weave of this discussion
that follows is equally rich albeit sometimes ambiguous/arcane (to
my unsophisticated ear/eye) but I wanted to thank you for your
repeated attempts at "effing the effable" or perhaps "locuting the
locutable"?</p>
<p>Carry on!</p>
<p> - SteveS<br>
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<div class="">5. I assume the resolution is a sort of AA
resolution: to admit the conversation has a problem. Probably
to expect, too, that the problem doesn’t really go away. So one
just deals with it one day at a time. </div>
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<div class="">I have to comment that in one other post, you gave
three assertions that made me sure (and also probably wrong) why
DaveW says you are a mystic, whether you will admit it or not.
They are not entirely out of context of the above. You said:</div>
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rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">I don't know what world you are
talking about if you [think you] are talking about a world
beyond experience. </span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0,
0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">
<span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"
class="">I don't know what existence you are talking about if
you [think you] are talking about existence apart from
experience.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color:
rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">
<span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"
class="">I don't know what fidelity you are talking about if
you [think you] are talking about fidelity apart from
experience.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color:
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<div class=""><font class="" color="#000000">I think that hits my
neoplatonist triggers too. It’s an interesting exercise for
me to try to find a locution that captures the right concept.
The visceral response, which I also have to religious people,
and which makes the contemplatives angry when I tell them they
are hitting the same triggers as the religious ones do, is to
scream at them IT’S NOT ALL ABOUT YOU. The religious ones
don’t want to live in a world that isn’t all about them. I
think the mystics and the contemplatives want to say they are
not that breed of cat. I will take them at their word, but I
can’t picture myself doing a good job of arguing on their
behalf, which is usually the measure for whether I understand
something.</font></div>
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<div class=""><font class="" color="#000000">But what then is the
careful version?</font></div>
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<div class=""><font class="" color="#000000">Well, my discourse
can never happen except within the larger field of my
experience, and I would do well to always keep that in mind.
That seems good. But what is there of the language I
produce, and that we produce together? It is generated within
behavior, it is transacted in experience, indeed. But what
forms is it desirable for me to endow it with, or in which to
try to use it and develop it? Suppose it is capable of having
forms that refer to an existence in ways such that
that referral doesn’t care how my experience is or isn’t
involved. A biosphere could have sprung up on this planet,
with all these insects and plants and fish and so forth, and
with never people to comment about them. They would be no
less themselves. A language capable of expressing (or
aspiring to express) that frame is one I would like to use.
To conceive of a language that has structures in common with
a world beyond experience, even though my talking in it is an
event within behavior or experience, does not seem to me
obviously logically incoherent. Any more than living in a
world that would have been much the same if I hadn’t been
living in it seems incompatible with the inherent coherence —
of a thing’s being whatever-all that thing is — of existing.</font></div>
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<div class=""><font class="" color="#000000">The question
of “how would I know whether the language had ever achieved
such an alignment, since my knowing takes place within
experience” is of course fine to pursue. But I think I can
express a preference for trying for a language with that
overall form, even if I don’t know how to answer the question
about validation. There is the issue of how I participate in
a language, given whatever it is and whatever I am. I have a
mode of participation in, or engagement with, or use or
receipt of, a language that refers to a world beyond
experience, that I imagine I would not have if it didn’t.</font></div>
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<div class=""><font class="" color="#000000">That didn’t buy you
any of what you came for, I know. Hopefully not time lost
down a well, even so.</font></div>
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<div class="">On Sep 17, 2021, at 6:52 AM, <<a
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi, EricS<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">You faith in my
consistency is touching (};-)].<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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class="quotationChar" style="font-family:
"Times New Roman", serif; font-weight:
bold; font-style: italic;">I know that, in response
to this, Nick will reply with a sequence of
English-language words that I find even more
unparseable than the ones above</span>. <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Frankly, you shouldn’t
have any faith that my average psychology colleague
will rescue me. 90% of them, directly or indirectly,
make their living off The Hard Problem. <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">EricC and JonZ might do
so, but they are probably too busy. <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Given that I find my
inability to communicate with you alarming and
distressing, and given that you find what I write so
exasperating, is there any way forward? <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Please understand that
I am not fooling around, here. <span
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Are there any baby
steps we could take? If I can’t communicate with you
guys, small chance I will be able to communicate with
ordinary mortals.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</a><o:p
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class="">From:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam <<a
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Eric Smith<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
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September 16, 2021 5:32 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
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Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">This is where there is
a style of use of language that may be unique to Nick
among all humans, or may be a tribal custom among the
psychologists, but which the common man needs to be
aware exists, so that he knows that the way
Nick/psychologists use words will be directly opposed
to the way the common man has always used them.<o:p
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that question disappears for you under those
circumstances, then I can simply admit that a
pleasure is just the behavioral transition that
occurs upon the achievement of set of
circumstances, and escape the tautology by
defining a goal as the organization of behavior
that points to a set of circumstances. <span
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">So,
in archery, the way the archer points the bow
(organization of behavior) is the “goal”, and
the event of an arrow’s hitting a bullseye is
somehow not a goal. Nick didn’t happen to use
the word “function” in the clip above; I have no
idea what he would say a “function” is, but in
the earlier posts, it was as bizarrely glossed
to me as this glossing of goal, so I can’t even
come up with a guess for how to imitate it. <o:p
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The
plugging in of an address for the supermarket to
the GPS while sitting in the car in the driveway
(organization of behavior) is the goal, not the
event of my arriving at the supermarket.<o:p
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">For
me as a mechanic, the bullseye as a position for
arrows is the goal (applied to an object), or
the event of the arrow’s arriving there is a
goal (applied to an outcome of a behavior) that
serves as a selection criterion among directions
in which a bow might be pointed. My pointing
the bow one way versus another is to me a
function for attaining that goal. The event of
arriving at a supermarket is the goal that
serves as a criterion for selection of which GPS
location I plug in; the act of plugging in that
address is then a function for attaining that
goal.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I
know that, in response to this, Nick will reply
with a sequence of English-language words that I
find even more unparseable than the ones above.
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The
meditators do this too. If I comment that, as a
mechanic, I am interested in what would get
people to be more restrained in the use of
excesses of power when they find themselves in
possession of such, to try to unwind the death
spiral that is leading to the dissolution of the
society, I know that the meditators will say
“Poor child, lost in samsara, he doesn’t realize
that all these things he refers to are just
illusion.” If I say to them that this is what I
expect them to say, the meditators get annoyed
at me because they think I am insulting them.
They say “when we say, over and over again, in
the first pages of every piece of our
literature, and again every three pages after
that, that `all that is illusion’ “, we don’t
mean that all that is illusion. You strawman
us. Seriously?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I
guess that’s how either discipline-specific or
idiosyncratic speech habits work. What is
unexplainably self-evident to one person is
mystifying to somebody else.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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