<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="auto">In computer science we have different levels of abstraction which are bridged by compilers and interpreters. A program in C for example can be compiled by a compiler to run on different machines which have different CPUs and different machine code languages.</div><div dir="auto"><br>The personality of a person is similar: a diligent person for instance may have learned in childhood from his parents "I have to work hard so that I may have a better life one day" by hearing it again and again. Different children may have learned the same lesson but they have probably "encoded" it differently.<br><br>An adaptive robot could be able to learn similar "lessons" - be kind, work hard, etc - if it starts to understand language. Therefore it could develop a kind of personality which is similar to us, although it is implemented differently, without biological matter. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-J.</div><div id="composer_signature" dir="auto"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir="auto"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div align="left" dir="auto" style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Marcus Daniels <marcus@snoutfarm.com> </div><div>Date: 9/19/21 00:39 (GMT+01:00) </div><div>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> </div><div>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul? </div><div><br></div></div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Sep 18, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Jochen Fromm <jofr@cas-group.net> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Yeah, stuff. But what kind of stuff are we? While physics tries to examine the most fundamental stuff and elementary particles, psychology has the most interesting types of stuff, if "personality" is the stuff that personal characters are made
of. There are countless individual and path-dependent differences in characteristic patterns of thinking, feeling and behaving as a person. Then there is the whole subject of consciousness and subjective experience which is interesting too, if we consider
it as an accumulated, path dependent point of view.</div>
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<div>From: Marcus Daniels <marcus@snoutfarm.com> </div>
<div>Date: 9/18/21 22:57 (GMT+01:00) </div>
<div>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> </div>
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We are just stuff and stuff can be simulated.. on quantum computers if necessary.<br>
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> On Sep 18, 2021, at 1:45 PM, Jochen Fromm <jofr@cas-group.net> wrote:<br>
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> I have watched John Searle videos on YouTube today and stumbled upon the question of personality again. If we assume that there is a special substance that makes us a person, can an advanced robot or AI acquire it? Can a robot be lazy, diligent, dull, intelligent,
friendly, nit-picky or even creative? John Searle would probably say it is not a good question...<br>
> https://youtu.be/Bq2bfSzkTfU<br>
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> I would say the answer is yes, because if the special substance is simply the personality or persistent character of a person, there is no reason why a robot should not be able to learn a bundle of typical behavior patterns (i.e. special mappings between
perceptions and actions) that are characteristic for a person, even if this behavior is implemented totally differently. The resulting personality helps to define and maintain the identity of a person<br>
> https://youtu.be/WwipmspceOU<br>
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> What do you think? Is there a special substance that makes us a person, and can an advanced robot or AI acquire it?<br>
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