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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/22/21 12:00 PM, Marcus Daniels
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<p>Steve writes:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>< Is it a single spectrum? I propose a few components:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Being a vegan, for example, is an
inconvenience and one will tend to impact a group. Not
participating in the hedonism around you will make you stick
out.
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<p>I was fairly pure vegetarian from age 14-32. I eased out of
Vegetarianism by eating meat whenever it was served and not
"sharing" my vegetarianism overtly, it was definitely making me
"stick out" and I didn't enjoy the conversations I usually had
around it with both vegetarians and non-vegetarians. I am now
back to mostly vegetarian with a lean toward veganism, based
mostly on my broadening empathy with all living things and my
growing distaste for all things mega-industrial (agri-industry,
animal edition especially) and the implications for the health of
the biosphere (and maybe more acutely, the noosphere). To most,
this probably just seems like knee-jerk bleeding-heart
ned-ludd-channeling tedium.<br>
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<p>My peers are no longer whigged by any dietary
preference/restriction I might express (though I try to keep my
dietary preferences to myself). They don't even blink at anyone
eschewing anything... Alcohol, sugar, gluten, caffiene, meat
products, animal products, orange colored food, GMO, non-GMO,
etc. For health/vitality reasons, I have tried a number of
dietary restrictions (metabolism and inflammation related) so do
occasionally have to "eat around" what is served/offered as
quietly as possible (or more likely just stick to a green salad
and water which is almost always available and almost always fits
any dietary restriction).<br>
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<p>I'm surprised you would have no takers on a GMO-positive food
club. I have a number of acquaintances who lean heavily into the
food-replacement (e.g Huel) and even synthetic food game.</p>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://huel.com/">https://huel.com/</a><br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.eater.com/2019/5/14/18623258/impossible-foods-synthetic-lab-grown-meat-science">https://www.eater.com/2019/5/14/18623258/impossible-foods-synthetic-lab-grown-meat-science</a>
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<p>I'm still haunted by the spectre of Soylent Green.</p>
<p>I'll opt for continuing to dabble in home gardening, aquaponics,
and raising egg-laying chickens.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Steve Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Generation X are heavy, risky drinkers. Will anything ever persuade us to stop?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/22/generation-x-heavy-drinkers-will-anything-persuade-us-to-stop" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/22/generation-x-heavy-drinkers-will-anything-persuade-us-to-stop</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>"There’s one other factor: the odiousness of comparison. Or, to put that more simply, generation X was never that extreme, it’s just the millennials, or generation sensible, are making us look bad. They drink less overall, and are more likely to renounce drinking altogether. Generation Z drink less still ..."<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p>At least among some subcultures, Generation B(oomer) were
much more alcohol abusing, not only in our youth (I turned 18
not long after the drinking age was (temporarily) reduced to
18 or 19 in many states), but in our "middle-age" (day
drinkers) and into our twilight years as high functioning (or
low-demand) alcoholics. At least you X-drinkers had craft
brew to hide behind, we were arguing over Coors vs Budweiser
or lauding the praises of 40oz Schlitz Malt Liquor (for
lunch?).
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<pre>"People are so cynical: they say millennials are just taking drugs or smoking weed instead. But that’s not the case: we’ve seen declines in all drug use."<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>If anything makes me worry about the future of society, it's this Puritanism infecting our youngsters. Alcohol is poison. But the other drugs are much less so. Maybe, just maybe, we'll see loosening of controls (like marijuana, X, and psi) and that will allow DIY body modification, implants, and such to flower. It's important to see it as a spectrum.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p>Is it a single spectrum? I propose a few components:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Creativity Enhancement<o:p></o:p></li>
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level1 lfo2">
Medicating for Social Anxiety<o:p></o:p></li>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo2">
Medicating for Depression<o:p></o:p></li>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo2">
Self Identity/Expression<o:p></o:p></li>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo2">
Avoidance<o:p></o:p></li>
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level1 lfo2">
...<o:p></o:p></li>
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