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<p class="MsoNormal">I was a user of Soylent for a while. A
problem with it is that it uses rice flour that spoils.</p>
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<p>I guess I didn't know there was a ?commercial? product by that
name. <br>
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<p>I was of course, referencing that 70s <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UPDUpjkHg0">B movie with
Charlton Heston</a> (the era of OmegaManHeston and
PlanetO'ApesHeston) before NRAColdDeadHandsHeston and after
BenHurHeston and MosesHeston.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> What’s the point of it if you have to
worry about preparation and its integrity? I want to pop in a
battery my leg and be good to go!</p>
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<p>Wouldn't it be even more convenient to have inductive charging
loops everywhere and just stay topped off all the time (while in
Eloi territory anyway)? In the meantime, tinfoil hatters would
imagine you can draw directly from the power grid inductively. My
great uncles were famous for tapping the power lines going by with
a coil of wire on a long pole they could lay up close to the wires
going over and <br>
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<p>If I were going fully post/trans human I think I'd want to grow a
peacock-like photosynthetic tailfeather array to capture sunlight
directly. Though I think the efficiency would have to be pretty
high to support a <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UPDUpjkHg0">2000W
lifestyle</a>. At a solar flux of 1000W/m^2 that looks like a
shadow-print of 1mx2m or the cross section of at typical grave? 3
m diameter peacock fan?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Steve Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9/22/21 12:00 PM, Marcus Daniels
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Steve writes:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>< Is it a single spectrum? I propose a few components:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Creativity Enhancement<o:p></o:p></li>
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Medicating for Depression<o:p></o:p></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Being a vegan, for example, is an
inconvenience and one will tend to impact a group. Not
participating in the hedonism around you will make you stick
out.
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<p>I was fairly pure vegetarian from age 14-32. I eased out of
Vegetarianism by eating meat whenever it was served and not
"sharing" my vegetarianism overtly, it was definitely making
me "stick out" and I didn't enjoy the conversations I usually
had around it with both vegetarians and non-vegetarians. I
am now back to mostly vegetarian with a lean toward veganism,
based mostly on my broadening empathy with all living things
and my growing distaste for all things mega-industrial
(agri-industry, animal edition especially) and the
implications for the health of the biosphere (and maybe more
acutely, the noosphere). To most, this probably just seems
like knee-jerk bleeding-heart ned-ludd-channeling tedium.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>My peers are no longer whigged by any dietary
preference/restriction I might express (though I try to keep
my dietary preferences to myself). They don't even blink at
anyone eschewing anything... Alcohol, sugar, gluten,
caffiene, meat products, animal products, orange colored
food, GMO, non-GMO, etc. For health/vitality reasons, I have
tried a number of dietary restrictions (metabolism and
inflammation related) so do occasionally have to "eat around"
what is served/offered as quietly as possible (or more likely
just stick to a green salad and water which is almost always
available and almost always fits any dietary restriction).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I'm surprised you would have no takers on a GMO-positive food
club. I have a number of acquaintances who lean heavily into
the food-replacement (e.g Huel) and even synthetic food game.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><a href="https://huel.com/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://huel.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><a
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moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.eater.com/2019/5/14/18623258/impossible-foods-synthetic-lab-grown-meat-science</a>
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<p>I'm still haunted by the spectre of Soylent Green.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I'll opt for continuing to dabble in home gardening,
aquaponics, and raising egg-laying chickens.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Steve Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Generation X are heavy, risky drinkers. Will anything ever persuade us to stop?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/22/generation-x-heavy-drinkers-will-anything-persuade-us-to-stop" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/22/generation-x-heavy-drinkers-will-anything-persuade-us-to-stop</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>"There’s one other factor: the odiousness of comparison. Or, to put that more simply, generation X was never that extreme, it’s just the millennials, or generation sensible, are making us look bad. They drink less overall, and are more likely to renounce drinking altogether. Generation Z drink less still ..."<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p>At least among some subcultures, Generation B(oomer) were
much more alcohol abusing, not only in our youth (I turned
18 not long after the drinking age was (temporarily) reduced
to 18 or 19 in many states), but in our "middle-age" (day
drinkers) and into our twilight years as high functioning
(or low-demand) alcoholics. At least you X-drinkers had
craft brew to hide behind, we were arguing over Coors vs
Budweiser or lauding the praises of 40oz Schlitz Malt Liquor
(for lunch?).
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<pre>"People are so cynical: they say millennials are just taking drugs or smoking weed instead. But that’s not the case: we’ve seen declines in all drug use."<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>If anything makes me worry about the future of society, it's this Puritanism infecting our youngsters. Alcohol is poison. But the other drugs are much less so. Maybe, just maybe, we'll see loosening of controls (like marijuana, X, and psi) and that will allow DIY body modification, implants, and such to flower. It's important to see it as a spectrum.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p>Is it a single spectrum? I propose a few components:<o:p></o:p></p>
<ol type="1" start="1">
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo6">
Self Exploration<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo6">
Creativity Enhancement<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo6">
Medicating for Social Anxiety<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo6">
Medicating for Depression<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo6">
Self Identity/Expression<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo6">
Avoidance<o:p></o:p></li>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo6">
...<o:p></o:p></li>
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