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<blockquote type="cite">On Sep 25, 2021, at 1:23 PM, thompnickson2@gmail.com wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Naw! It is about what we do about the presumptions to which we are blind that blind us.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Marcus Daniels<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 25, 2021 3:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>; kitchenlist@liste.unisa.it<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This just takes us back to is vs. ought. If one is preoccupied with how the universe ought to be, then one is less inclined to observe and measure how it is and consider what the evidence means. They split off to notions like Mind and
God and other claptrap. It is a disability to their comprehension of things. That is why they are torturing their dilemma and their identity. The conclusion is both simple and painful to accept.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 25, 2021 11:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:kitchenlist@liste.unisa.it">kitchenlist@liste.unisa.it</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Dear Colleagues, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Because of an interest some of you expressed in Islamic science, I ran down the text linked below. It is an entire book, and I have read only the first chapter, but I found that fascinating. It is a sort of airing of linen concerning the role of science
in the modern Islamic world that tracks in interesting ways the recent American ambivalence about science. This first chapter is both unsettling and very familiar at the same time.
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<p><a href="http://traditionalhikma.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf">http://traditionalhikma.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Ok, just to give you sense of one of the places it leaves <b><i>me</i></b>: If the fault of western science is that it is laced with unacknowledged western values, what would a science that acknowledged its values look like. I have argued that the science
we practice is absurdly dualistic (given that we have only one source of information). But it is unclear to me how \u201cdualism\u201d is a value. Is the \u201crape of nature\u201d and all that follows implicit in dualism? I wish I could claim that if I turn you all into monists,
you will all become wind=turbine fanatics, but I don\u2019t think that\u2019s the case. Do values guide what we do or are they just the heavy artillery that we muster to convince others to do what we have done?
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<p>See what you think?<o:p></o:p></p>
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