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<p>DAWW is perhaps it's own version of the nail or stone in a
communal "soup". Or a potherb, providing limited but possibly
critical nutrition to an otherwise bland and macronutrient-only
stew?</p>
<p>- SAS<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Colleagues, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I am appealing for help with a paradox. On
the one hand there is this well known concept of a category
error, an insult that has great force in some domains of
thought; on the other hand, there is probability theory,
calculus, etc., which involves (to my eye) the same
equivocation, but on which we have relied for the great
practical achievements of our time. Is the analogy between
the two not apt? If it is apt, then we have the paradox of
vicious and virtuous category errors. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For those of you who think I am just
dicking about with words here, let me concede that there is
such an evil. However, you must recognize that sometimes
great gaps in our thinking are discovered by people dicking
about with words. Since DAWW is all I am really capable of at
my advanced age – indeed, perhaps EVER have been capable of--
it is what I have to throw in the pot. You might help me
distinguish between vicious DAWW and virtuous DAWW. You might
exile me. But you probably won’t get me to stop. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">[sigh]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Nick Thompson, Doctor of DAWW. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Frank
Wimberly<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 2, 2021 12:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
Group <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><friam@redfish.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps. But in the meantime people who
believe in and use concepts like derivatives, integrals,
position, velocity, momentum, energy, etc. send probes to
the moons of Jupiter and beyond. But I guess you dismiss
that with the same argument with which you dismiss nuclear
reactor design using probabilities.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Frenemy? You ain't seen nothing unless
you've had a teenage daughter recently.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Frank<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">---<br>
Frank C. Wimberly<br>
140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>
Santa Fe, NM 87505<br>
<br>
505 670-9918<br>
Santa Fe, NM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Oct 2, 2021, 10:17 AM <<a
href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dear
Frank, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As
I say, it boils down to a question of who controls the
meaning of velocity. Now we can, of course, have
different realms of discourse where velocity means one
thing to you and another to me, so long as we are very
clear and do not equivocate about which meaning we are
using. The problem is, of course, that in the
discourse I am most familiar with, equivocation goes
on all the time. Now there might be an interesting
line of argument where you assert that “the limit of
the ratio of distance to time as time approaches 0” is
exactly what the “common man” means by velocity. He
doesn’t quite have those words for it, but as the car
is hurtling down on him standing in the middle of the
road and he says that car is coming FAST, he is
interested in the instantaneous motion (whatever that
could possibly be!) of the car. I think that is
wrong. I think he is interested in whether the car is
going to cover the distance between itself and him
before he covers the distance between him and the edge
of the road, but perhaps there is a sense in which the
instantaneous velocity is used to bridge from his
perception of the motion of the car in the last second
to his perception of it’s motion in the next few.
Thus he uses a kind of abduction to reach a category
we call “the velocity of the car” and from that
category deduces the time of arrival of the car at his
point in the road. This idea … that we use experience
to make up useful fictions -- aka “categories,
essences, reals, etc.”-- from which we then infer
events is a newish one to me and I want to think about
it more. Somehow, to assert that all categories, all
“generals” are fictions seems right to me right now.
If we are to arrive at the place where all categories
are fictions then we must have a way to distinguish
between virtuous and vicious fictions. And not just
the Jamesian way. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">But,
Frenemy Frank, you must recognize the absurdity you
have let yourself in for when you write dualist
non-sense such as “<span
class="m-4372451920003883491quotationchar">This is
theoretical and approximates what happens in the
physical world</span>.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">There
is no moment when we know the world. To use your
language, all we know is our theories of the world.
The world divides out of the equation. We are in the
businesses of prediction future experience from past
experience and the world plays no part in that
business <b><i>except as theory</i></b>. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">N<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Nick
Thompson<o:p></o:p></p>
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href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#0563C1">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#0563C1">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Frank Wimberly<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 2, 2021 10:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Velocity
is the derivative of location with respect to time.
In three-space it's a three component vector as is
location.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In
freshman physics at Carnegie Tech we studied these
concepts with strobe lights, cameras, and
frictionless (almost) pucks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Frank<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">---<br>
Frank C. Wimberly<br>
140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>
Santa Fe, NM 87505<br>
<br>
505 670-9918<br>
Santa Fe, NM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
Sat, Oct 2, 2021, 8:29 AM <<a
href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Frank,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Well,
as usual, it’s a question of who get’s the
words. In the world in which I was raised a
velocity is a change in position over a change
in time. No change in distance, no
velocity. Velocity at an instant is a
mathematical fabulation in the same way that
wanting at an instant is a fabulation. My
problem as a “thinker” is that I want to
dismiss the latter, but I cannot dismiss the
former.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">N<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Nick
Thompson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#0563C1">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#0563C1">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
Friam <<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Frank Wimberly<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 1, 2021 10:01
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied
Complexity Coffee Group <<a
href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart
Rate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Nick,
i hope this helps. Given a fair die that
hasn't been thrown the probability that it
will come up 2 (or any of the other
particular values) on the next throw is 1/6
by definition of fair. Given that it has
been thrown and ceterus paribus the a
posteriori probability that it shows 2 given
that it does is 1.0. In that case the
probabilities of each of the other values is
0.0.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The
acceleration of an object with constant
velocity is 0.0. If the velocity is
changing the acceleration is the
instantaneous change in velocity the
knowledge of which is limited by the
ability to measure that. The acceleration
of an object whose velocity is described
by a closed form mathematical function is
the derivative of that function as we
learned in calculus. The derivative is
defined by limits. This is theoretical
and approximates what happens in the
physical world.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Questions
and comments are welcome.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">---<br>
Frank C. Wimberly<br>
140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>
Santa Fe, NM 87505<br>
<br>
505 670-9918<br>
Santa Fe, NM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
Fri, Oct 1, 2021, 7:21 PM <<a
href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
thought the conversation about
probability, category errors, and
crossing boundaries between levels of
organization was interesting and I was
sorry I had to leave it. I want to
say that to speak a die as having a
probability of 1/6 of coming up 6 on a
single throw is a category error
because it is not a property that can
be displayed on a single throw. It’s
the same worry that I have often
deployed about the calculus. If we
take the idea of a category error
seriously, then acceleration is just
not the sort of thing an object can
have at an instant. But just as
clearly as this argument is too strong
– lots of very nice longstanding
bridges have been built with the
calculus – so the argument is also too
strong with respect to probability –
lots of nice atom bombs have been
built with probability theory … or
something. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
care about this because my standard
account of such concepts as “wanting”
is that they are properties of the
population of responses to an object,
not properties of any one of those
responses. We encounter the same
problem with anecdotes and newspaper
photographs designed to illustrate
some general fact. If the generally
fact is that “very few of the
immigrants at the southern border are
well treated” a single photograph
looking peaked or hungry is
irrelevant. Equally irrelevant would
be a picture of a bright eyed kid
sitting in the lap of a border patrol
officer eating a hot-fudge sundae. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">This
makes me wonder about one of the
foundations of psychological research,
the statistics of inference, which I
think Peirce invented. Let a coin be
thrown 10 times and each time come up
heads. What I think Peirce would
have me conclude is that that coin is
unlikely to be drawn from a population
of fair throws of a fair coin. But,
of coure, what we are likely to
conclude is that “this coin is not
fair.” But that could be as
misguided, couldn’t it, as concluding
that the kid in the lap of the border
patrol officers is being mistreated.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
apologize, once more, for sharing my
comfusions with you. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Nick
Thompson<o:p></o:p></p>
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href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#0563C1">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/" target="_blank"
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Friam <<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Frank Wimberly<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 1, 2021
6:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning
Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a
href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [FRIAM] Newborn
Heart Rate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a
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target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/61/1/119</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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is for those who attended this
morning's vFriam meeting. I was
Schachter's colleague, among a
couple of others.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Frank C. Wimberly<br>
140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>
Santa Fe, NM 87505<br>
<br>
505 670-9918<br>
Santa Fe, NM<o:p></o:p></p>
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