<div dir="auto">Thanks, Jon. Pandora does a pretty good job of playing music I like based on my thumbs up. Except when Matthew's choices get mixed in. I've heard "Old Town Road" quite enough.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 7:23 PM Jon Zingale <<a href="mailto:jonzingale@gmail.com">jonzingale@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">Thanks for asking, Frank. On Friday, Glen mentioned that he was attempting to train his music streaming service to identify *Schwill Rock*[0]. This is amidst the ongoing discussions we have, on the server, regarding the foundations of statistics[1], the use of AI in the legal system, and the recurring realization that our suggestion engines are leading us into deeper and deeper silos.<br><br>[0] The first question, the one about the Dwarves, is mostly asked toward Glen, though the question is on the forum and so clearly open to whomever. From what I gather, Glen classified Schwill rock as music that rocks but without apparent intellectual value. He gave two examples. In the Schwill category we might have White Zombie: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPNFVj-pISU&ab_channel=WhiteZombieVEVO" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPNFVj-pISU&ab_channel=WhiteZombieVEVO</a><br><br>and in the other, Tool: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7JG63IuaWs&list=RDY7JG63IuaWs&start_radio=1&ab_channel=TOOLVEVO" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7JG63IuaWs&list=RDY7JG63IuaWs&start_radio=1&ab_channel=TOOLVEVO</a><br><br>which for those playing at home, invites analysis:<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOHkeH2VaE0&ab_channel=Polyphonic" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOHkeH2VaE0&ab_channel=Polyphonic</a><br><br>As for me, if I happen to (for some god-forsaken reason) find myself listening to early Bob Dylan, I am very unlikely to want to listen to Joan Baez or Woody Guthrie or Nina Simone's "folk" record next. Seriously though, must *all* roads lead to Morrissey? I agree that it is possible that someone somewhere does, but I sure as shit don't. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">This leads me to wonder... if training AI on the current legal system produces racist AI judges, then what hope do we have that (once those old enough to have admired seeing live Dylan are finally gone) the rest of us won't be stuck with *that* legacy "baked" into the AI engines? Let's face it, it's not just the biosphere, look at that wasteland we still call radio. (Thanks, Telecom act, wherever you are).<br><br>That said, I made some effort a few weeks ago (as well as on Friday) to get a conversation started around what suggestion engines and search engines could potentially do differently. One promising idea I have been researching a lot lately is to adapt weighted ensemble methods (those used for protein folding, say) to get better estimates on the all too volatile energy landscape that is our individually fickle musical tastes. Other ideas might include methods for rewarding actions in favor of tolerance. But hey, just about anything would be better than the "geodesic humping", "least-action loving" and "k-cluster fucked" nightmare we have presently.<br><br>So there I am at Bosque Brewing and Spotify has gone off the rails, everyone in the bar can tell, and no one is quite sure what can be done about it. In some places I visit, the wait staff has already been defeated by the domineering sounds of AI deejays and corporate policy. I can empathize when I hear workers ask, "who would want to hear music on their day off"?<br><br>Anyway, I wasn't sure about posting this response, but Grammarly assures me that this post "may sound to readers": admiringly, appreciative, and formal. All good things. mmm... spicy.<br><br>[1] Sorry, Nick, you missed your chance.<br></div></div>
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