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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you everybody, thank you Steve. The netlogo model was exactly what I was looking for. I thought I had done my due diligence on that cite, but indeed, as usual, I hadn’t. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I will get it to them straight way. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Friam is the greatest!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Nick <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Nick Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen Guerin<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 25, 2021 1:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Thread Bust: WAS: stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Nick,<br><br>I put the standard Netlogo CA model set to rule 30 online here<br><a href="https://redfish.com/models/CARule30.html" target="_blank">https://redfish.com/models/CARule30.html</a><br><br>Hit setup or setup-random then go. You can play with the rule set on the left. Note as a binary bits, the CA number ranges from 0-255 depending on which bits are switched on. Play with the show rules button too.<br><br><img border=0 width=471 height=239 style='width:4.9097in;height:2.4861in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01D7C9AA.61E4B200"><br><br>There are hundreds of others on the web, but the Netlogo version is easy for Miles to download and modify. And, he can get into agent-based modeling of so many other phenomena. We showed him a bit during his internship. There's also slime mold aggregation example in netlogo of which I previously posted Owen's <a href="http://agentscript.org">agentscript.org</a> version:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><a href="https://www.netlogoweb.org/launch#https://www.netlogoweb.org/assets/modelslib/Sample%20Models/Biology/Slime.nlogo">https://www.netlogoweb.org/launch#https://www.netlogoweb.org/assets/modelslib/Sample%20Models/Biology/Slime.nlogo</a><br><br> _______________________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:stephen.guerin@simtable.com" target="_blank">Stephen.Guerin@Simtable.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>CEO, Simtable <a href="http://www.simtable.com/" target="_blank">http://www.simtable.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>office: (505)995-0206 <span style='font-size:9.5pt'>mobile: (505)577-5828</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt'>twitter: @simtable</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt'><a href="http://zoom.com/j/5055775828" target="_blank">z</a><a href="http://oom.simtable.com" target="_blank">oom.simtable.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 10:44 AM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks, Barry,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Yours was the only suggestion, so I really appreciate it. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Before I wrote the list, I did go to that website and poke around, but did not find what I was looking for. It puzzles me because it seems an easy program to make and I would expect that professors would the writing it for their students everywhere. I will follow your suggestions closely. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I bought the book on line. It came in a day. I can assure you that the pages are NOT blank. It is as full of wonder as I remember it. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I truly believe that you wizards hold the key to the universe if you could but put it in Citizen Talk. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Nick <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Nick Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0563C1'>ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0563C1'>https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Barry MacKichan<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 25, 2021 9:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Thread Bust: WAS: stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>You might want to try <a href="https://www.wolfram.com/language/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#3983C4'>https://www.wolfram.com/language/</span></a>. This could work since the “programming” needed is minima (given that you have the interpretating program). See also <a href="https://www.wolfram.com/language/11/new-visualization-domains/plot-cellular-automata.html" target="_blank"><span style='color:#3983C4'>https://www.wolfram.com/language/11/new-visualization-domains/plot-cellular-automata.html</span></a>. There seem to be free versions of some of the programs and, if not, there are usually student prices.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>A totally off-thread anecdote. At some academic conference where both Wolfram and we were exhibiting, the Wolfram exhibit featured his new (then) book, ‘A New Kind of Science’, very hefty at something like 1000 pages, and attractive graphics on the cover. I went up to their booth to thumb through the book. Every page was blank. I hear it eventually got fleshed out.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>—Barry</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>On 25 Oct 2021, at 1:37, <a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #777777 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt'><div id="gmail-m_-9055046176453155020gmail-m_-1051304003469429395gmail-m_-7232775617473527407848F9F3F-214B-4799-A5BF-5155E510365C"><div><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'>Hey, Ed, </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'>Perhaps you are the person to answer this question: I have snared both of my grandchildren in CA #30, the -son because he is interested in pattern formation in regenerating planaria and the -daughter because she likes really neat stuff. I would like to give them simple programs so they could generate any one of the 256 rules and see the consequences of them. I thought I would find several readily at hand, but what I did was a serious of sites which schooled me to write such a program myself. I am too old for that. Do you know of any I could email to my -children? It is the first time in years that I have actually caught their fancy with something, so it would really make me happy. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'>Thanks, </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'>Nick </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'>Nick Thompson</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0563C1'>ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0563C1'>https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p style='margin:0in'><b><span style='color:#777777'>From:</span></b><span style='color:#777777'> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Angel Edward<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 24, 2021 5:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'>In an affine space (vector space + point), an ant’s position is a point and a path or trail can be described by vectors.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'>__________<br><br>Ed Angel<br><br>Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)<br>Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico<br><br>1017 Sierra Pinon<br>Santa Fe, NM 87501<br>505-984-0136 (home) <a href="mailto:edward.angel@gmail.com" target="_blank">edward.angel@gmail.com</a><br>505-453-4944 (cell) <a href="http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel" target="_blank">http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:#777777'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'>On Oct 24, 2021, at 5:27 PM, Frank Wimberly <<a href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com" target="_blank">wimberly3@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:#777777'>Focusing the application of ant foraging, what is the scalar product of an ant? What is the sum of two ants. Same questions for pheromone trails. If the answer is that scalar product and sum are not general enough. What are the homomorphisms of ants and pheromone trails?</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'>---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'>On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 5:12 PM Jon Zingale <<a href="mailto:jonzingale@gmail.com" target="_blank">jonzingale@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><pre style='white-space:pre-wrap'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333'>I want to clarify what a dual space is. I think it is much more general</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333'>than Frank thinks it is: </span><span style='color:#333333'><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjoint_functors" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjoint_functors</a></span><o:p></o:p></pre></div></div><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'><br>.-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - .<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 <a href="http://bit.ly/virtualfriam" target="_blank">bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br>un/subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com" target="_blank">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><br>archives:<br> 5/2017 thru present <a href="https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/" target="_blank">https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</a><br> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 <a href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/" target="_blank">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'><br>.-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - .<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 <a href="http://bit.ly/virtualfriam" target="_blank">bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br>un/subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com" target="_blank">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><br>archives:<br>5/2017 thru present <a href="https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/" target="_blank">https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</a><br>1/2003 thru 6/2021 <a href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/" target="_blank">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:#777777'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #777777 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt'><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#777777'>.-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - .<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 <a href="http://bit.ly/virtualfriam" target="_blank">bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br>un/subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:#777777'>http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</span></a><br>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#777777'>http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</span></a><br>archives:<br>5/2017 thru present <a href="https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#777777'>https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</span></a><br>1/2003 thru 6/2021 <a href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#777777'>http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>.-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - .<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 <a href="http://bit.ly/virtualfriam" target="_blank">bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br>un/subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com" target="_blank">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><br>archives:<br> 5/2017 thru present <a href="https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/" target="_blank">https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</a><br> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 <a href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/" target="_blank">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>