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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Frank said:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=quotation>"I assume our privacy follows from our lack of importance. To others."<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>And then Jon Quoted it and said:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=quotation>This is the sense that I have always understood the statement:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=quotation><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=quotation>"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,..."<o:p></o:p></p><p class=quotation><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=quotation>That we, those of us in the men's club, agree to act *as if it were* the case that...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>So, Jon, and all of you other ex-perts, Is it the case, or not? I can see that it might be the case for those of you who, unlike me, MIGHT become massively important to others later on. But is it, or is it not, the case for we ordinary mortals. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>N<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Nick Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>ThompNickSon2@gmail.com<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Steve Smith<br>Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 3:48 PM<br>To: friam@redfish.com<br>Subject: [FRIAM] What can or can't (shouldn't) be said on FriAM...</p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Glen sed:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> As always, treating posts to a permanent, public forum like this as if they were chatty conversations seems ill-advised. I'm guilty of it, too. But ... tu quoque, I guess.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I think I finally appreciate the key point you were making when you have said things like this before. I somehow was reading "should" in a different mode. "ill advised" in the context of public/permanent is what I think you were emphasizing (which I was missing).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I've left my foot in my mouth in public here and elsewhere many times for sure, and likely often when I made this conflation (public/permanent forum vs private/ephemeral chat).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I often find reading Wikipedia Discussion pages entertaining for that. A little like sitting at the back of the restaurant and overhearing the staff bickering and/or snarking about customers/management/one-another.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>.-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - .<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>archives:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> 5/2017 thru present <a href="https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 <a href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>