<div dir="auto">Nick, where did the concept come from that persons other than the participants will read these conversations? If you're referring to your hope that scholarly papers will emerge from this material won't that involve extensive review and editing?<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Frank<br><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM</div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 12:19 PM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Maybe recess and grade school sports are like a lab experiment for parents and teachers and they gain valuable insights (assuming it is not just sadistic)? I have no fond memories of T ball, more like PTSD! And dodge ball (sanctioned) set the stage for literal
target practice on the weird kids. This is not as overt in adult life but still there..<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Oct 27, 2021, at 10:49 AM, Frank Wimberly <<a href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">wimberly3@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">When a grown person says it, it's playful. When those little people on the playground say it, it's full of derision and crying sometimes follows.
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Frank C. Wimberly<br>
140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>
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505 670-9918<br>
Santa Fe, NM</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 11:40 AM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Well, hang on there, big fella. “Scorn” is a bridge too far. As somebody famous once said, “I know my own intent.” I meant only to suggest – humorously, I hoped – that Glen and I had already entered the domain of play ground taunt with
his …<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>. But social contracts are only one, very debatable, construction for "inalienable rights". Just because it makes the most sense to you, doesn't mean it provides the solid foundation you're looking for. It looks more
like postmodernist sand, to me. You modernists, who faithfully buy into Grand Narratives that fit your priors would be suckered in by it. But I don't.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">… all packed and gussied up with its ad hominems. All this is meant to be playful, and the moment it stops being fun, is the moment it should stop. If I have brought us there, please accept my apologies and let’s let it go.
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<p class="MsoNormal">All this is trivial compared to Glen’s suggestion that we have to be careful what we say here, not just because of possible hurts endured by one another (which I do care about) but because of who might be listening. This is the second
such suggestion from a person I deeply respect that has been offered me this week and I find it deeply concerning. I am so used to the freedom that my professional obscurity conveys that I never worry about such reputational concerns. Also, being an up-tight
easterner, I am probably more self-canceling than many of you. Finally, my die is already cast. But
<b><i>should I</i></b> be listening to what I write with an Other Ear? For your sakes, at least?
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<p class="MsoNormal">I suggest we start another thread: “What Cannot Be Said On Friam” and explore this matter carefully.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nick Thompson<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Frank Wimberly<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 27, 2021 10:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">It's a form of scorn and derision to say, for example, "You lose; I win". Very obnoxious.<u></u><u></u></p>
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Frank C. Wimberly<br>
140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 8:02 AM uǝlƃ <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif">
☤</span>>$ <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">gepropella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That's unhelpful. 8^D What does it mean?<br>
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On 10/27/21 6:53 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:<br>
> Most people would spell that, "nanner, nanner, nanner", I think. It's heard on playgrounds all over, or it was in the 40s and 50s. In Mexico they sing, "lero, lero, lero", using the same notes.<br>
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> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 7:35 AM uǝlƃ <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif">
☤</span>>$ <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">gepropella@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">gepropella@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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> I have no idea how to respond to this post. I don't know what "neener, neener, neener" means, unfortunately. [...]<br>
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> On 10/26/21 1:03 PM, <a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">
thompnickson2@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > Grand narratives. Oh, neener, neener, neener. [...]<br>
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> > As I said: Neener, neener, neener. And so's your old man.<br>
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