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<p>excellent reference/article... thanks.</p>
<p> I did have the page dogeared in my paper copy of the Atlantic
next to the bathtub... I just skimmed the online version you
linked... I find bits easier to skim than atoms for some reason...
maybe because the ability to cutNpaste quotes with a few
keystrokes gives me the illusion of more participation. Or maybe
it will be easier for me to skim the paper copy with the Foster
Grant Progressive (0-2.75) Readers I shoplifted from the grocery
today.</p>
<p>Like George Packer, my first vote was in 1980, but unlike him I
was captured by the L/libertarian undertone of the Reaganites. I
was young and dumb and full of myself (now I'm just old) and I
missed the racial/class signaling going on which is what slowly
flipped (inverted) me to something a lot more like a Socialist
these days.</p>
<p>I do like the narrative(s) implied by the tension between Real,
Smart, Free, and Just America(n)s... in a cyberpunk kinda way.
<br>
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<p>Is it a 4 component spring model, or is a four body problem in
the orbital mechanics sense... probably no harder than the three
body problem?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/29/21 11:36 AM, Marcus Daniels
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Will AIs want the same things I want? I
think Roger was just being silly, but `categories’ could be
wrangled into to some vaguely adjacent thing like typed
computer programs for autonomous control systems in a robot.
Let’s call it a careful robot. Will all intelligent life be
like humans and will they want love and recognition? Why
must that be the case? Why must it be true for humans? Why
does HR assume I even want a safe space? I’m reminded of
George Packer’s Free America, Smart America, Real America and
Just America. None of them really gave a damn about the
others as far as I can tell. It is just a model, of course.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Ok, So, Marcus, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="quotation">> What do categories want?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="quotation"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="quotation">Love, recognition and safety? Someone
phone HR and get the ball rolling on a new policy!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Spoken from the high perch of Irony.
Irony is like wormwood, delightful in small doses but
ultimately toxic. Do we not all want love, recognition, and
safety? Do we also want excitement and challenge. Go
figure! Some of us crave more of the one; some more of the
other. Given the contradiction between those things, can we
expect the right balance be guaranteed for each and every one
of us, for all time? No. Of course not. But is that reason
to mock human striving toward these goals? Or to mock
Utilitarian attempts to facilitate their achievement? No. I
don’t think so. Irony is a guilty pleasure. Even though I
use it and enjoy it, I have to admit that it is a an
abdication and fails as a policy.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Nick <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Nick Thompson<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels<br>
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] we are lost<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> So, not only do we attribute
teleology to inanimate objects, weather, animals, and people,
but also to the platonic solids. Which probably leads to:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> What do categories want?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Love, recognition and safety? Someone
phone HR and get the ball rolling on a new policy!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Marcus<o:p></o:p></p>
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