<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I DID read all the thread so far... but I'm curious how we got to one of the starting points: "as cringy as it may be for some dork to be proud of their Poker prowess" <br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br><div></div></div><div>I am somewhat satisfied with my Poker mediocrity, certainly not proud of it... but if I met someone who was ACTUALLY startlingly better than I am, and they were proud of that, I wouldn't find it cringy. (Ditto in my other hobbies, like Aikido.)</div><div><br></div><div>I guess if I met someone who had a slight edge in their drunk-buddy home games, and they were super proud of THAT, then i would find it cringy. (Ditto someone who's the best Aikido student in their small dojo, but who's obviously not more than that.) </div><div><br></div><div>When I see academic work on game theory, it's usually of lower quality than what the good poker players are doing these days. Mastering the game is crazy hard, and being able to sit down and implement a coherent and winning strategy for 40-80 hours a week is not easy. So... why would that be cringe? </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:echarles@american.edu" target="_blank"></a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 1:42 PM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Ok, part of the story is knowing what is really needed for reproducibility as a function of context.<br>
With that, then there's the matter of how much control is afforded. Is it programmable in predictable ways?<br>
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Yeah, I agree. But context is Queen. When the virus is created in the lab, it's done with real stuff distilled from the soupy world. Given enough of a difference in context, the robot may not be able to re-constitute the life because the soupy world surrounding the robot doesn't have the real stuff required. Such drastic context changes could be a result of translation through space or time. E.g. trying to construct, on Mars, an organism read/serialized on earth. Or e.g. trying to construct an organism read millennia ago, millennia in the future. It's naive to talk about "science" as if any given read-out formula thereby expressed is *complete*. Science is abstraction to a large extent ... maybe not as abstracting as math, of course. And science must remain "open" precisely because any formula it expresses is suspect, perhaps incomplete.<br>
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My favorite example is the magic brewing stick: <a href="https://medievalmeadandbeer.wordpress.com/2019/05/04/scandinavian-yeast-logs-yeast-rings/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://medievalmeadandbeer.wordpress.com/2019/05/04/scandinavian-yeast-logs-yeast-rings/</a> It *was* scientific to lay out the magic stick as a critical element of the brewing process, only to discover later that the stick isn't the important part.<br>
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On 11/2/21 2:39 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>
> Even if that were so, viruses have been pulled from history or tweaked and created in the lab. So we have a design specification, and the means to make it. One could imagine a robot fabricating the close-to-the-metal machine too. There is a story one can write down how it is done. If there is no story, it is not science we are talking about, it is something else. <br>
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