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<p>Very interesting stuff Glen... <br>
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<p>I'm not quite ready for going all "Rupert Sheldrake" on this
subject but I do appreciate that there is a lot of proper
scientific work gesturing more and more in this direction.</p>
<p>I'm wondering if you (or anyone else here) is familiar with Mae
Wan Ho's work on long term/range in water... she and her work
seem to have pushed up against what are traditionally the domain
of woo-peddlers and pseudoscience, but yet seems to have remained
(at least barely) on the "real" science side of that sometimes
fuzzy boundary. I suspect that the bulk of her citations come
from the wooverse, but that doesn't have to reflect on *her*
credibility.<br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.worldscientific.com/worldscibooks/10.1142/8418">https://www.worldscientific.com/worldscibooks/10.1142/8418</a></p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.heartmath.org/assets/uploads/2015/01/pursuing-the-science-of-global-coherence.pdf">https://www.heartmath.org/assets/uploads/2015/01/pursuing-the-science-of-global-coherence.pdf</a></p>
<p>and as long as I mention Rupert, I suppose we have to nod to his
son Merlin and his recent publication on Fungi: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/52668915">Entangled
Life</a> . I have not read more than superficial reviews so
far. It probably goes on my reading stack just below Kimmerer's
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/87040">Gathering
Moss</a>.<br>
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<p>- Steve<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/8/21 9:23 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Thanks, Steve. A reminder the movie event is this Thursday: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://watch.eventive.org/aware/play/615f2c9cfb31210037ecade7">https://watch.eventive.org/aware/play/615f2c9cfb31210037ecade7</a>
And although these may be overvalued, they and ones like them are finally showing some progress:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CMPS?p=CMPS&.tsrc=fin-srch">https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CMPS?p=CMPS&.tsrc=fin-srch</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/MNMD?p=MNMD&.tsrc=fin-srch">https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/MNMD?p=MNMD&.tsrc=fin-srch</a>
The argument surrounding plant awareness and expression is interesting. It makes sense to me to argue that if plants are "sentient" in any operable sense, their communication and self-sensing would occur at the molecular scale, perhaps going outward a bit to tissue and inward a bit to coherence. (Interesting, if a bit romantic, essay here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://quantumfrontiers.com/2021/11/07/entangled-fields-and-post-anthropocene-computation-quantum-perspectives-for-a-healthy-planet/">https://quantumfrontiers.com/2021/11/07/entangled-fields-and-post-anthropocene-computation-quantum-perspectives-for-a-healthy-planet/</a>) But my guess is most of the larger scale sounds plants generate are non-sentient acoustic emission, like your motor clicking after you shut it off. But who knows, vibration may be similar to "force-based" treatments like physical therapy or massage ... or even acupressure. Just because acupuncture seems like pure pseudoscience, other force-based therapy, including vibration-based may have finer grained impact than we can currently account for (e.g. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/physics-and-astronomy/ultrasonic-cavitation">https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/physics-and-astronomy/ultrasonic-cavitation</a>). Heliotropism is also a thing, I guess.
On 11/1/21 1:37 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I found this article on consciousness interestingly broadening of my own view of it:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.geekwire.com/2021/neuroscientist-recounts-long-strange-trip-plumb-depths-consciousness/">https://www.geekwire.com/2021/neuroscientist-recounts-long-strange-trip-plumb-depths-consciousness/</a>
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