<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:Arial;">You would be surprised at what casinos can ban. Maybe even more surprised at the, not necessarily AI, software tools they use to analyze video feeds and pounce on any kind of statistically improbabilities. Most casinos in Vegas have tools, like mandatory side bets with very low odds, that erase the near equal odds of blackjack.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">The only 'safe' gambling is poker where the house has no direct interest in the outcome.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">As DES stated, winning is a matter of patience and losing antes only, until you get good hand and then skill of playing that hand for maximum return — playing less worse than the others at the table.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">I am living in Vegas now and playing small tournaments fairly regularly.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">davew<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div>On Sun, Nov 7, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Steve Smith wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><p><br></p><div class="qt-moz-cite-prefix">On 11/7/21 12:02 PM, David Eric Smith
wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:6EF4FD27-7063-43A2-A244-73AAC8FE194F@santafe.edu">There must be some kind of “Back to the future” movie that can be
made out of this. Doyne Farmer in Vegas all over again, but with
current-era AI in place of toe-operated computers. <br></blockquote><p>Yah! Surely Casinos can't begin to restrict
computers(phones)/earbuds, etc. on the gaming floor.<br></p><p>Strange coincidence that my sister went to Kindergarten with
Vance Packard (Norm's brother) in Silver City long before they all
became eagle scouts and then the Chaos Cabal. We moved away the
next year and I doubt I ever met any of them back then. I came
to LANL just before (I think) Doyne came... I seem to remember
that Norm was there for a summer... and soon came the (in)famous
CA conference... As I remember it the game of interest (aside
from Life, what with Conway in attendance) was GO with a lot of
speculation about the implications of local vs global
"intelligence"... I was intrigued by HashLife and it's
implications for finding structure at many scales... I still hope
for someone with more follow-through than I have to implement a
more redundant but "thorough" space-time decomposition (an N-1xN-1
kernel over the 4 positions at each "zoom" level).<br></p><p>Regarding poker.. I played some low-stakes in college and saw
there were two things to take in: the main technical skill was
to simply play less poorly than the other players at the table and
that was entirely overshadowed by the social-engineering games of
bluffing, etc. The very simple game-theoretic aspect of not
depleting your own stake before you catch a "lucky streak" going
your way was also a good understanding. I played with my "boss"
and a number of peers at the time and realized that it was more
about jockeying for position at work and drinking beer than it was
about winning/losing. I think the most I ever lost/won was on the
order of $20-$40 which in those days was roughly 1-2 shifts
wages... a LOT if I joined them weekly... too rich for my blood!
I still feel that *technically* playing well really means just
playing less badly. Blackjack being even more obviously so?<br></p><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:6EF4FD27-7063-43A2-A244-73AAC8FE194F@santafe.edu"><div class="qt-"><br></div><div class="qt-">Yikes.<br></div><div class="qt-"><br></div><div class="qt-"><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="qt-"><div class="qt-">On Nov 7, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Marcus Daniels
<<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-"><div class="qt-WordSection1" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;-webkit-text-stroke-width:0px;text-decoration-line:none;text-decoration-style:solid;text-decoration-color:currentcolor;text-decoration-thickness:auto;"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="qt-">My inclination would be
to invest in standoff biometrics (e.g. Eulerian Video
Amplification) and then find the best poker playing
code. It ought to be possible to automate and
perhaps get rich in the process.<br></div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="qt-"> <br></div><div style="border-top-style:solid;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225, 225, 225);padding-top:3pt;padding-right:0in;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:0in;" class="qt-"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="qt-"><div><b class="qt-">From:</b><span class="qt-Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration-line:underline;text-decoration-style:solid;text-decoration-color:currentcolor;text-decoration-thickness:auto;" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>><span class="qt-Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="qt-">On
Behalf Of<span class="qt-Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Eric
Charles<br></div><div> <b class="qt-">Sent:</b><span class="qt-Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
November 7, 2021 7:42 AM<br></div><div> <b class="qt-">To:</b><span class="qt-Apple-converted-space"> </span>The Friday
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration-line:underline;text-decoration-style:solid;text-decoration-color:currentcolor;text-decoration-thickness:auto;" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">friam@redfish.com</a>><br></div><div> <b class="qt-">Subject:</b><span class="qt-Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [FRIAM]
lurking<br></div></div></div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="qt-"> <br></div><div class="qt-"><div class="qt-"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="qt-">I DID
read all the thread so far... but I'm curious how
we got to one of the starting points: "as cringy
as it may be for some dork to be proud of their
Poker prowess" <br></div><div class="qt-"><div class="qt-"><div class="qt-"><div class="qt-"><div class="qt-"><div class="qt-"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="qt-"> <br></div></div><div class="qt-"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="qt-">I am somewhat
satisfied with my Poker mediocrity,
certainly not proud of it... but if I
met someone who was ACTUALLY
startlingly better than I am, and they
were proud of that, I wouldn't find it
cringy. (Ditto in my other hobbies,
like Aikido.)<br></div></div><div class="qt-"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="qt-"> <br></div></div><div class="qt-"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="qt-">I guess if I met
someone who had a slight edge in their
drunk-buddy home games, and they were
super proud of THAT, then i would find
it cringy. (Ditto someone who's the
best Aikido student in their small
dojo, but who's obviously not more
than that.) <br></div></div><div class="qt-"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="qt-"> <br></div></div><div class="qt-"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="qt-">When I see
academic work on game theory, it's
usually of lower quality than what the
good poker players are doing these
days. Mastering the game is crazy
hard, and being able to sit down and
implement a coherent and winning
strategy for 40-80 hours a week is not
easy. So... why would that be cringe? <br></div></div><div class="qt-"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="qt-"> <br></div></div><div class="qt-"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="qt-"> <br></div></div><div class="qt-"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="qt-"> <br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="qt-"><div class="qt-"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="qt-">On
Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 1:42 PM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration-line:underline;text-decoration-style:solid;text-decoration-color:currentcolor;text-decoration-thickness:auto;" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote style="border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-top:0in;padding-right:0in;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;" class="qt-"><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="qt-"><div>Ok,
part of the story is knowing what is really
needed for reproducibility as a function of
context.<br></div><div> With that, then there's the matter of how much
control is afforded. Is it programmable in
predictable ways?<br></div><div> <br></div><div> -----Original Message-----<br></div><div> From: Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank" style="color:blue;text-decoration-line:underline;text-decoration-style:solid;text-decoration-color:currentcolor;text-decoration-thickness:auto;" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$<br></div><div> Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 8:20 AM<br></div><div> To:<span class="qt-Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank" style="color:blue;text-decoration-line:underline;text-decoration-style:solid;text-decoration-color:currentcolor;text-decoration-thickness:auto;" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">friam@redfish.com</a><br></div><div> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Yeah, I agree. But context is Queen. When the
virus is created in the lab, it's done with real
stuff distilled from the soupy world. Given
enough of a difference in context, the robot may
not be able to re-constitute the life because
the soupy world surrounding the robot doesn't
have the real stuff required. Such drastic
context changes could be a result of translation
through space or time. E.g. trying to construct,
on Mars, an organism read/serialized on earth.
Or e.g. trying to construct an organism read
millennia ago, millennia in the future. It's
naive to talk about "science" as if any given
read-out formula thereby expressed is
*complete*. Science is abstraction to a large
extent ... maybe not as abstracting as math, of
course. And science must remain "open" precisely
because any formula it expresses is suspect,
perhaps incomplete.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> My favorite example is the magic brewing stick:<span class="qt-Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://medievalmeadandbeer.wordpress.com/2019/05/04/scandinavian-yeast-logs-yeast-rings/" target="_blank" style="color:blue;text-decoration-line:underline;text-decoration-style:solid;text-decoration-color:currentcolor;text-decoration-thickness:auto;" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://medievalmeadandbeer.wordpress.com/2019/05/04/scandinavian-yeast-logs-yeast-rings/</a><span class="qt-Apple-converted-space"> </span>It *was*
scientific to lay out the magic stick as a
critical element of the brewing process, only to
discover later that the stick isn't the
important part.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> On 11/2/21 2:39 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br></div><div> > Even if that were so, viruses have been
pulled from history or tweaked and created in
the lab. So we have a design specification,
and the means to make it. One could imagine a
robot fabricating the close-to-the-metal machine
too. There is a story one can write down how
it is done. If there is no story, it is not
science we are talking about, it is something
else. <span class="qt-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> --<span class="qt-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></div><div> "Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed
with a lie."<br></div><div> <span style="" class="qt-">☤</span>>$
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<br></pre></blockquote><div><br></div><div>.-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - .<br></div><div>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br></div><div>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 <a href="http://bit.ly/virtualfriam">bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br></div><div>un/subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br></div><div>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><br></div><div>archives:<br></div><div>5/2017 thru present <a href="https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/">https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</a><br></div><div>1/2003 thru 6/2021 <a href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div></body></html>