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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/8/21 9:51 AM, Marcus Daniels
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<p class="MsoNormal">I suppose they could require players walk
through a x-ray machine to find neural implants.
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<p>Or a strong MRI to "rip them out" if they are conducting?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Prof David West<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 8, 2021 8:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] lurking<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">You would
be surprised at what casinos can ban. Maybe even more
surprised at the, not necessarily AI, software tools they
use to analyze video feeds and pounce on any kind of
statistically improbabilities. Most casinos in Vegas have
tools, like mandatory side bets with very low odds, that
erase the near equal odds of blackjack.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The only
'safe' gambling is poker where the house has no direct
interest in the outcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As DES
stated, winning is a matter of patience and losing antes
only, until you get good hand and then skill of playing
that hand for maximum return — playing less worse than the
others at the table.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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living in Vegas now and playing small tournaments fairly
regularly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Nov 7, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Steve
Smith wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 11/7/21 12:02 PM, David Eric Smith
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<p class="MsoNormal">There must be some kind of “Back to the
future” movie that can be made out of this. Doyne Farmer
in Vegas all over again, but with current-era AI in place
of toe-operated computers.
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<p>Yah! Surely Casinos can't begin to restrict
computers(phones)/earbuds, etc. on the gaming floor.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Strange coincidence that my sister went to Kindergarten
with Vance Packard (Norm's brother) in Silver City long
before they all became eagle scouts and then the Chaos
Cabal. We moved away the next year and I doubt I ever met
any of them back then. I came to LANL just before (I
think) Doyne came... I seem to remember that Norm was there
for a summer... and soon came the (in)famous CA
conference... As I remember it the game of interest (aside
from Life, what with Conway in attendance) was GO with a lot
of speculation about the implications of local vs global
"intelligence"... I was intrigued by HashLife and it's
implications for finding structure at many scales... I still
hope for someone with more follow-through than I have to
implement a more redundant but "thorough" space-time
decomposition (an N-1xN-1 kernel over the 4 positions at
each "zoom" level).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Regarding poker.. I played some low-stakes in college and
saw there were two things to take in: the main technical
skill was to simply play less poorly than the other players
at the table and that was entirely overshadowed by the
social-engineering games of bluffing, etc. The very simple
game-theoretic aspect of not depleting your own stake before
you catch a "lucky streak" going your way was also a good
understanding. I played with my "boss" and a number of
peers at the time and realized that it was more about
jockeying for position at work and drinking beer than it was
about winning/losing. I think the most I ever lost/won was
on the order of $20-$40 which in those days was roughly 1-2
shifts wages... a LOT if I joined them weekly... too rich
for my blood! I still feel that *technically* playing well
really means just playing less badly. Blackjack being even
more obviously so?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yikes.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Nov 7, 2021, at 1:56 PM,
Marcus Daniels <<a
href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My inclination would be to
invest in standoff biometrics (e.g. Eulerian
Video Amplification) and then find the best
poker playing code. It ought to be possible
to automate and perhaps get rich in the
process.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span
class="qt-apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam
<<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>><span
class="qt-apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span
class="qt-apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Eric
Charles<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Sent:</b><span
class="qt-apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
November 7, 2021 7:42 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>To:</b><span
class="qt-apple-converted-space"> </span>The
Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
Group <<a
href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam@redfish.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Subject:</b><span
class="qt-apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[FRIAM] lurking<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I DID read all the
thread so far... but I'm curious how we
got to one of the starting points: "as
cringy as it may be for some dork to be
proud of their Poker prowess" <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am
somewhat satisfied with my
Poker mediocrity, certainly
not proud of it... but if I
met someone who was ACTUALLY
startlingly better than I am,
and they were proud of that, I
wouldn't find it cringy.
(Ditto in my other hobbies,
like Aikido.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I guess if
I met someone who had a slight
edge in their drunk-buddy home
games, and they were super
proud of THAT, then i would
find it cringy. (Ditto someone
who's the best Aikido student
in their small dojo, but who's
obviously not more than
that.) <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">When I see
academic work on game theory,
it's usually of lower quality
than what the good poker
players are doing these days.
Mastering the game is crazy
hard, and being able to sit
down and implement a coherent
and winning strategy for 40-80
hours a week is not easy.
So... why would that be
cringe? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 3, 2021
at 1:42 PM Marcus Daniels <<a
href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ok, part of the
story is knowing what is really needed
for reproducibility as a function of
context.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With that, then
there's the matter of how much control
is afforded. Is it programmable in
predictable ways?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From: Friam <<a
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent: Wednesday,
November 3, 2021 8:20 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re:
[FRIAM] lurking<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yeah, I agree. But
context is Queen. When the virus is
created in the lab, it's done with
real stuff distilled from the soupy
world. Given enough of a difference in
context, the robot may not be able to
re-constitute the life because the
soupy world surrounding the robot
doesn't have the real stuff required.
Such drastic context changes could be
a result of translation through space
or time. E.g. trying to construct, on
Mars, an organism read/serialized on
earth. Or e.g. trying to construct an
organism read millennia ago, millennia
in the future. It's naive to talk
about "science" as if any given
read-out formula thereby expressed is
*complete*. Science is abstraction to
a large extent ... maybe not as
abstracting as math, of course. And
science must remain "open" precisely
because any formula it expresses is
suspect, perhaps incomplete.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My favorite example
is the magic brewing stick:<span
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class="qt-apple-converted-space"> </span>It
*was* scientific to lay out the magic
stick as a critical element of the
brewing process, only to discover
later that the stick isn't the
important part.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 11/2/21 2:39 PM,
Marcus Daniels wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> Even if that
were so, viruses have been pulled from
history or tweaked and created in the
lab. So we have a design
specification, and the means to make
it. One could imagine a robot
fabricating the close-to-the-metal
machine too. There is a story one
can write down how it is done. If
there is no story, it is not science
we are talking about, it is something
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 <a
href="http://bit.ly/virtualfriam" moz-do-not-send="true">bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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FRIAM-COMIC <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a>
archives:
5/2017 thru present <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/">https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</a>
1/2003 thru 6/2021 <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a>
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